Manziel Being Investigated

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BeecherVol said:
Who knows. We upgraded over the calamity known as Dooley. I hope its good enough to get UT back to the top but Im not ready to claim UT back yet.

Saban was a slam dunk, no brainer. He could have gone to many places and won big. If I was a Bama fan I be a Dolphin fan for life. He could still be at LSU working on a half dozen or so.
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When Bama hired RichRod and his 100th ranked defense it would have put us in the basement of the doghouse. That said, Saban had a productive window at LSU. BUT, he never enjoyed an undefeated season, anywhere. Never had back to back 10 win seasons in his career.

2008 - 12 wins
2009 - 14 wins
2010 - 10 wins
2011 - 13 wins
2012 - 13 wins

You could argue being at Alabama has been good for Nick Saban.
 
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1. Compensation may be paid to a student-athlete: (Revised: 11/22/04)
(a) Only for work actually performed; and
(b) At a rate commensurate with the going rate in that locality for similar services.
1. Such compensation may not include any remuneration for value or utility that the student-athlete may have for the employer because of the publicity, reputation, fame or personal following that he or she has obtained because of athletics ability.
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TUSKtimes said:
When Bama hired RichRod and his 100th ranked defense it would have put us in the basement of the doghouse. That said, Saban had a productive window at LSU. BUT, he never enjoyed an undefeated season, anywhere. Never had back to back 10 win seasons in his career.

2008 - 12 wins
2009 - 14 wins
2010 - 10 wins
2011 - 13 wins
2012 - 13 wins

You could argue being at Alabama has been good for Nick Saban.
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The only difference between LSU and Bama is Bama has a higher salary cap for the players.
 
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TOP said:
No offense but you're the one sporting a Duke logo. I'd say it's rather embarrassing to be a fan of two different schools because they're power houses in different sports. Really makes no sense for someone that's a fan of two different teams to call someone else an embarrassment to their fan base because honestly, I find it embarrassing that you bandwagon another school simply because they're better in basketball than Tennessee. This might be a bet that I'd lose but I'd bet you don't like Duke football at all and that you're a bigger Duke basketball fan than you are a Tennessee basketball fan. sigh
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Its well documented on this site why I'm not a Tennessee basketball fan. Also, on what planet is Tennessee a football powerhouse? Since when is a school that gets lucky to sniff a bowl game considered a powerhouse? I'm also not a bandwagonner. I've been a Duke fan since I was a little kid idolizing Bobby Hurley.
 
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GoVols15 said:
I guess people like CBJ, the current players, former players, etc. who embrace and talk about Tennessee TRADITION really don't know what they are talking about and are an embarrassment to Tennessee (your words). No, I think the issue you have with me is personal for whatever reason and quite frankly I don't need nor solicit your ignorant comments. I'll make a deal ... you leave me alone and I will leave you alone.

For the record, at least Bamawriter knew I was, in good fun, joking as he does with UT and I do not take it personal. Bud, you are way too serious ... you need to take a break from Volnation, it is not really that important.
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Always easy to change your tone the next day. I suppose you were just messing with Lawrence Wright too when you dogged UF in a thread that had nothing to do with UF, much like this thread has nothing to do with Bama.
 
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Kellen Moore did nothing but win football games at Boise State. Unfortunately his height prevented him from being drafted. Tennessee’s Tyler Bray had the stature and the arm strenght of a first-rounder. Unfortunately, his off-field shenanigans kept him from being selected. Combine Moore’s size with Bray’s immaturity and you have Manziel.
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Like The Rule Or Not, Manziel Allegedly Violated An NCAA Biggie
 
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Velo Vol said:
This is part of the agreement when they sign a scholarship?
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If the NCAA implemented that rule, this is the first I've heard of it. They never got to peek at Reggie Bush's bank records, or Cam Newton's.

That said, they used Bush and his family's refusal to provide bank records as evidence of guilt, and they could do so with Manziel (though they won't).
 
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hog88 said:
All he said she said unless they have some sort of record showing money actually changed hands. They had photos and videos of the Bama players signing autographs in the store and then walking around in new suites. Nothing happened.
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That guy didn't try to resell 1,000's of autographs though. The few autographs that were signed were displayed in his store with not for sale sign displayed.
 
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vols-1 said:
That guy didn't try to resell 1,000's of autographs though. The few autographs that were signed were displayed in his store with not for sale sign displayed.
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Don't believe that for 1 second.

Were the players compensated for their autographs? Suits or cash it's still compensation!
 
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hog88 said:
Don't believe that for 1 second.

Were the players compensated for their autographs? Suits or cash it's still compensation!
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I understand your skepticism. But there has beeen no one coming out to say that they are aware of any compensation offered to the Bama players. Heck, the only suit we know a Bama player got from T-Town Menswear is the suit Ingram wore to the Heisman ceremony, and that was a loaner that was returned to the store.

I'm not making any assertion as to the veracity of the claim against Manziel, but it is a very different situation than what happened at Bama.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
When Bama hired RichRod and his 100th ranked defense it would have put us in the basement of the doghouse. That said, Saban had a productive window at LSU. BUT, he never enjoyed an undefeated season, anywhere. Never had back to back 10 win seasons in his career.

2008 - 12 wins
2009 - 14 wins
2010 - 10 wins
2011 - 13 wins
2012 - 13 wins

You could argue being at Alabama has been good for Nick Saban.
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Rich Rod may not have won the SEC or a NC but he would have made Bama better that what they had been in a while. Another guy ya'll should speak highly of.

Had Bama been retiring/losing a successful coach that had set the table for Saban to be great I could see the argument. Here not so much.

From where I stand Saban is head and shoulders above his peers and that would ring true at many other schools.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Pennington made that up?

Wondering how the NCAA could enforce it on banks, absent subpoena power.
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They couldn't. I suppose it could be written into the language in the letter of intent or scholarship that the student athlete must provide those records if requested, but I don't believe that it is.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Rich Rod may not have won the SEC or a NC but he would have made Bama better that what they had been in a while. Another guy ya'll should speak highly of.

Had Bama been retiring/losing a successful coach that had set the table for Saban to be great I could see the argument. Here not so much.

From where I stand Saban is head and shoulders above his peers and that would ring true at many other schools.
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Well, I'm more than happy to clarify my argument: Saban + Alabama = "Rolling Stones"
 
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BeecherVol said:
As well you should.

Mine would be.
Saban + (take your pick of several schools) = what he has done at Bama.
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Seems reasonable, historically speaking, the vols have never allowed stats to get in the way of a good story. Party on!
 
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Velo Vol said:
Pennington made that up?

Wondering how the NCAA could enforce it on banks, absent subpoena power.
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From the NCAA

"In addition to interviews, enforcement representatives obtain significant supporting documentation, such as recruiting logs, phone records, compliance files, academic records, e-mails, bank statements and credit card receipts.

Those records and interviews can be obtained from institutions, student-athletes, prospective student-athletes and those employed by institutions because of the NCAA’s cooperative principle. However, the NCAA does not have subpoena power and cannot compel those outside of its jurisdiction (parents of student-athletes or prospects, agents, high school personnel) to cooperate in the investigative process. The NCAA cannot require individuals to turn over documents through discovery."
 
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vols-1 said:
From the NCAA

"In addition to interviews, enforcement representatives obtain significant supporting documentation, such as recruiting logs, phone records, compliance files, academic records, e-mails, bank statements and credit card receipts.

Those records and interviews can be obtained from institutions, student-athletes, prospective student-athletes and those employed by institutions because of the NCAA’s cooperative principle. However, the NCAA does not have subpoena power and cannot compel those outside of its jurisdiction (parents of student-athletes or prospects, agents, high school personnel) to cooperate in the investigative process. The NCAA cannot require individuals to turn over documents through discovery."
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Translation: We ask for this stuff, but we can't make you provide it. If you choose not to, we will operate under the notion that you have something to hide.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Seems reasonable, historically speaking, the vols have never allowed stats to get in the way of a good story. Party on!
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It is what it is. He's that good with or without Alabama. He just jump ship at LSU too early to do the same.
 
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bamawriter said:
Translation: We ask for this stuff, but we can't make you provide it. If you choose not to, we will operate under the notion that you have something to hide.
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And there becomes the problem for someone like Manziel in this situation. He'll basically be presumed guilty by the NCAA unless he can prove he's innocent.
 
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orangesox said:
And there becomes the problem for someone like Manziel in this situation. He'll basically be presumed guilty by the NCAA unless he can prove he's innocent.
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He'd have to be monumentally stupid to just deposit that money into a bank account. If he's smart he cooperates with the NCAA, they find nothing in his bank records, and he goes on his merry way. If he refuses to cooperate, that's when he puts himself at risk.
 
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