Marsalous Johnson

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(crimedawg12 @ Aug 2 said:
We will just have to wait and see how it plays out! I see valid arguments coming from both camps on this issue. My point(s) are Johnson's intentions at the time, if he did point the gun and I believe he will be dismissed simply because CPF has kinda boxed himself in a corner when it comes to discipline. Just two cents from an authority hungry, GED toting cop! Now I must go impose my low intellect on the unsuspecting public!
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Crimedawg, when it comes to police officers, you're the exception that proves the rule.
 
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(tnpreach @ Aug 2 said:
Looks like our boy is only going to get suspended for a couple of games.
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The link doesn't specify anything other than he will be suspended pending the outcome of the charges. :dunno:
 
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(tnpreach @ Aug 2 said:
Looks like our boy is only going to get suspended for a couple of games.

Williams still in limbo after year-and-a-half
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What do you think of their claim that the deputy, on the interstate, was trying to get them to rear-end him? On an interstate? That's suicide.

Makes no sense.

Combioned with saying there was no gun and then the police findign the gun udner the seat, well, come on.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Aug 2 said:
What do you think of their claim that the deputy, on the interstate, was trying to get them to rear-end him? On an interstate? That's suicide.

Makes no sense.

Combioned with saying there was no gun and then the police findign the gun udner the seat, well, come on.
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Of course. Given the mandatory MENSA membership of all Putnam County Deputies, one of them would never engage in irrational conduct, for example, shooting a harmless dog on camera. Wait, oh, never mind.
 
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(GAVol @ Aug 2 said:
The link doesn't specify anything other than he will be suspended pending the outcome of the charges. :dunno:
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This is true. However, the case is over a month from now and football season will have started by then, meaning that it could play out in Johnson's favor if he is slapped with a misdemeanor.
 
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Just a guess, but he either pleads a lessor charge or the prosecution drops the charges or the judge boots the whole case.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Aug 2 said:
What do you think of their claim that the deputy, on the interstate, was trying to get them to rear-end him? On an interstate? That's suicide.

Makes no sense.

Combioned with saying there was no gun and then the police findign the gun udner the seat, well, come on.
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It makes perfect sense. These are 19 year old kids. Did you expect anything else? Their lives were flashing before their very eyes(Oh snap, that was a cop! Let's play dumb!)
 
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(therickbol @ Aug 2 said:
Forget it, arguing with a know-it-all laywer that thinks he can talk his way aruond anything is impossible. If he actually meant any harm to the other driver he would have done a large array of other options besides WAVING A TOY GUN IN THE WINDOW. The thought process of a 19 year old kid in the heat of the moment did not include, "hold on before I get angry and wave this toy gun in the windown let me run through the possible negative side effects, well first the other car might wreck, second...." You know what though, I bet that his line of thought if he EVER thought about doing something like this again. It makes no sense to me why a kid who is young and never been in trouble should be taken all the way to the extreme of dismissal for this. Its a joke.
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Let's clarify something here: Marsalous Johnson is a 19 year old adult!

That being said, it is a joke to keep him on the team when he has neither the maturity nor common sense to avoid a situation such as this.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 2 said:
Of course. Given the mandatory MENSA membership of all Putnam County Deputies, one of them would never engage in irrational conduct, for example, shooting a harmless dog on camera. Wait, oh, never mind.
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The MENSA comment was hilarious. I missed the dog shooting thing, but I get the gist of it.

Difference between being stupid and nutty, though. Guess we will find out more as time goes by.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 2 said:
Crimedawg, when it comes to police officers, you're the exception that proves the rule.
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I resemble that remark!
 
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(lawgator1 @ Aug 2 said:
Oh, I get it, you want to give him a call so that your kid can hire him, eh? Pretty clever there utfan, pretty clever.
Ah, yes, the eventual refrain of the outwitted and wrong: just say the other side is unreasonable no matter what their position. You have a bright future in talk radio, young man.

Actually, we may have found something we can agree upon and that is that I agree that your player wasn't thinking much at the time. But that's my concern. Our society has gotten to the point where anyone lashing out in anger, without regard to the consequences, is given another chance. And another. And another. I'm not saying this kid should be banned from football altogether. Nor am I saying he ought to be deprived of a first rate education.

What I am saying is that, if I am the head football coach dealing with lives of 90 young men who think themselves invulnerable and who, by their actions, can endanger others, then one of the first things I want to teach them is that collectively we don't put up with such shennanigans and maybe its time they actually DO start thinking aobut consequences. That is a hard life lesson to learn, but this is not just about this kid. Its about the 89 others, and the ones that follow them, and the players after that.

Someone has to draw a line somewhere.
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Ok, so let me get this straight. You think what he did was completely stupid and wrong. You think he should certainly be punished, but not necessarily kicked out of school and off the team. If I didnt know any better I would think that is exactly what I said. I said there should be consequences and that he should get ONE more shot. You said you are tired of seeing a second chance, third chance, etc. I am too. I never said he should get even a third chance. I said punish him and put him on a very short leash. If he screws up again then deal with him harshly, remove him from the team because at that point he knew he not was getting a third chance and it is becoming a habit. I said this isnt a habit with this kid and he should be punished and given one more chance.

So, it seems we are saying the same thing but you seem to like to argue for the sake of arguing. Oh wait, you are a lawyer, ah ha!
 
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(therealUT @ Aug 2 said:
Let's clarify something here: Marsalous Johnson is a 19 year old adult!

That being said, it is a joke to keep him on the team when he has neither the maturity nor common sense to avoid a situation such as this.
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19 is an adolescent. Many would argue 21 is an adult. But, either way I think it is ridiculous to place a specific age on being an adult. So, you are saying the process of growing up doesnt take place during college? Freshman in college are not in the process of growin up, they should already be grown up? Are you serious?
 
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I never did anything this stupid in college, but I guarantee you I did many things as a 19 year old that I would not have done as a 21-22 year old once I got finished with college and did a lot of growing up. I think if you look at college students as a whole you would find that to be the case in almost every instance.
 
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It's funny but LawGator, you are bias because you make a living defending police officers, right?On the other hand, Crimedawg is putting any bias aside he might have since he is a policeman (detective), and is withholding judgement.I applaud him. :clapping:
 
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(therickbol @ Aug 2 said:
19 is an adolescent. Many would argue 21 is an adult. But, either way I think it is ridiculous to place a specific age on being an adult. So, you are saying the process of growing up doesnt take place during college? Freshman in college are not in the process of growin up, they should already be grown up? Are you serious?
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I am saying that you should be accountable for your actions by the time you are 18. Does that mean a 19 year old will not make mistakes? No. However, the 19 year old who makes a mistake should be punished just the same as a 45 year old who makes the same mistake.
 
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(therickbol @ Aug 2 said:
I never did anything this stupid in college, but I guarantee you I did many things as a 19 year old that I would not have done as a 21-22 year old once I got finished with college and did a lot of growing up. I think if you look at college students as a whole you would find that to be the case in almost every instance.
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And you will find most of those college students losing jobs, internships, and scholarships due to momentary lapses in maturity. Why should it be any different for a football player? I work with 18 and 19 year old soldiers on a daily basis. If I ever picked up the paper and read that one of them tried to scare another driver on the road by brandishing a firearm (whether real or fake) they would definitely be on their way out of my unit.
 
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(therickbol @ Aug 2 said:
I never did anything this stupid in college, but I guarantee you I did many things as a 19 year old that I would not have done as a 21-22 year old once I got finished with college and did a lot of growing up. I think if you look at college students as a whole you would find that to be the case in almost every instance.
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Did you never do anything this stupid in college and get caught or did you never do anything this stupid? I for one never did anything this stupid and got caught. But I did some :tease2: stupid things, oh yeah.
 
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(utfantilidie @ Aug 2 said:
It's funny but LawGator, you are bias because you make a living defending police officers, right?On the other hand, Crimedawg is putting any bias aside he might have since he is a policeman (detective), and is withholding judgement.I applaud him. :clapping:
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Not fair.

My job has nothing to do with my perspective on this.

I tend to believe the account of the officer at this time because his version makes sense. The kid's makes no sense and it has already been documented in this case that he lied immediately by claiming no gun in the car.

And don't tell me they didn't say REAL gun. Any breathing person would think to mention the toy one in that situation.

I think your attack on me belies the fact that you know your position to be intellectually bankrupt.

You want to argue with me, argue with me. But don't take a cheap swipe at me by backhandedly complimenting someone else. Transparent. And weak.

 
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Johnson visits with kids. It wouldn't be a huge surprise that one of the kids accidentally(or Marsalous) left the toy in the car and forgot about it.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Aug 2 said:
Johnson visits with kids. It wouldn't be a huge surprise that one of the kids accidentally(or Marsalous) left the toy in the car and forgot about it.
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I think I just vomited in my mouth.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Aug 2 said:
Johnson visits with kids. It wouldn't be a huge surprise that one of the kids accidentally(or Marsalous) left the toy in the car and forgot about it.
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Well, now I think you are really reaching. But who knows. Time will tell.
 
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He visits with a poster's kids from Volquest. I don't know how old they are. I guess none of us have any siblings that we visit. And I'm sure none of us have ever misplaced something as simple as a toy.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Aug 2 said:
He visits with a poster's kids from Volquest. I don't know how old they are. I guess none of us have any siblings that we visit. And I'm sure none of us have ever misplaced something as simple as a toy.
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I have never brandished one to intimidate another driver, that is for d*** sure!
 
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I definitely never misplaced my toy gun in my hand while waving it around to a fellow motorist...
 
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