Martin Thus Far..

#76
#76
Name them and see if you can come up with more than ten

1.) Roy Williams
2.) Coach K
3.) Bill Self
4.) John Calipari
5.) Jamie Dixon
6.) Thad Matta
7.) Billy Donovan
8.) Jim Calhoun
9.) Bob Huggins
10.) Jim Boeheim
11.) Tom Izzo
12.) Bo Ryan
13.) Rick Pitino
14.) Jay Wright

Those are a few off the top of my head that are unquestionably better than Pearl.
 
#77
#77
1.) Roy Williams
2.) Coach K
3.) Bill Self
4.) John Calipari
5.) Jamie Dixon
6.) Thad Matta
7.) Billy Donovan
8.) Jim Calhoun
9.) Bob Huggins
10.) Jim Boeheim
11.) Tom Izzo
12.) Bo Ryan
13.) Rick Pitino
14.) Jay Wright

Those are a few off the top of my head that are unquestionably better than Pearl.

That is a good list. No doubt. And it is hard to disagree with you. But I bet if someone was to look at the NCAAs during that time, I think his record is at least top 10. I almost guarantee it would be top ten over his first 5 years. You are also talking about established programs. Tennessee sucked when Pearl showed up. During this time these coaches had established programs and Pearl's record would still be right up there.
 
#78
#78
1.) Roy Williams
2.) Coach K
3.) Bill Self
4.) John Calipari
5.) Jamie Dixon
6.) Thad Matta
7.) Billy Donovan
8.) Jim Calhoun
9.) Bob Huggins
10.) Jim Boeheim
11.) Tom Izzo
12.) Bo Ryan
13.) Rick Pitino
14.) Jay Wright

Those are a few off the top of my head that are unquestionably better than Pearl.


Ok I looked up their records...... Since this is Bruce Pearl's first six years at a big time school compared to the others first six yeara.....Bruce Pearl was better than Jay Wright, Mike K, Jim Boeheim, and John Calipari. He was pretty much even with Jamie Dixon, Thad Matta, billy Donovan, Bo Ryan. Bob Huggins and Rick Pitino were slightly better and it can be argued that Pearl's record was better bc some of their teams did not make the tournament at all.

Even just taking the past six years Bruce Pearl compares really well with almost all the coaches on your list.
 
#79
#79
1.) Roy Williams
2.) Coach K
3.) Bill Self
4.) John Calipari
5.) Jamie Dixon
6.) Thad Matta
7.) Billy Donovan
8.) Jim Calhoun
9.) Bob Huggins
10.) Jim Boeheim
11.) Tom Izzo
12.) Bo Ryan
13.) Rick Pitino
14.) Jay Wright

Those are a few off the top of my head that are unquestionably better than Pearl.

Why are they unquestionably better anyways, If you or I knew enough about basketball, I wouldnt be a physical therapist and you wouldnt be a lawyer. Wins and Losses is all that matters.
 
#80
#80
Why are they unquestionably better anyways, If you or I knew enough about basketball, I wouldnt be a physical therapist and you wouldnt be a lawyer. Wins and Losses is all that matters.

Wins and losses explain why they're head and shoulders above Pearl.
 
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#81
Ok I looked up their records...... Since this is Bruce Pearl's first six years at a big time school compared to the others first six yeara.....Bruce Pearl was better than Jay Wright, Mike K, Jim Boeheim, and John Calipari. He was pretty much even with Jamie Dixon, Thad Matta, billy Donovan, Bo Ryan. Bob Huggins and Rick Pitino were slightly better and it can be argued that Pearl's record was better bc some of their teams did not make the tournament at all.

Even just taking the past six years Bruce Pearl compares really well with almost all the coaches on your list.

If you think that Pearl is better or even with those coaches, you are a complete idiot.
 
#82
#82
Ok I looked up their records...... Since this is Bruce Pearl's first six years at a big time school compared to the others first six yeara.....Bruce Pearl was better than Jay Wright, Mike K, Jim Boeheim, and John Calipari. He was pretty much even with Jamie Dixon, Thad Matta, billy Donovan, Bo Ryan. Bob Huggins and Rick Pitino were slightly better and it can be argued that Pearl's record was better bc some of their teams did not make the tournament at all.

Even just taking the past six years Bruce Pearl compares really well with almost all the coaches on your list.

If you're actually arguing that Pearl is even in the discussion with those guys, you ought to just quit posting.
 
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#83
#83
I like how we have looked so far. They haven't taken too many idiotic shots on O, but I'd like to see more looks in the paint for us.
 
#85
#85
If you think that Pearl is better or even with those coaches, you are a complete idiot.

You just can't seem to print a sentence without the use
of idiot, stupid, dumbass, etc. It really says a lot about you and your lack of vocabulary.
 
#87
#87
You just can't seem to print a sentence without the use
of idiot, stupid, dumbass, etc. It really says a lot about you and your lack of vocabulary.

Actually, I hardly ever say that unless the poster thinks that Pearl is obviously better than some of the top coaches in the nation. I liked Pearl while he was here, but to act like he was clearly one of the top ten coaches in the nation is just not thinking rationally.
 
#88
#88
Wins and losses explain why they're head and shoulders above Pearl.

it does not matter what what your opinion or mine opinion is.....I was stating facts based on their first six years at a big time school, Showing how each coach did and how pearl compared to them.
 
#90
#90
Actually, I hardly ever say that unless the poster thinks that Pearl is obviously better than some of the top coaches in the nation. I liked Pearl while he was here, but to act like he was clearly one of the top ten coaches in the nation is just not thinking rationally.
I never stated that he was obviously better than anyone but that his six seasons ranked with the top ten coaches in basketball.
 
#91
#91
I never stated that he was obviously better than anyone but that his six seasons ranked with the top ten coaches in basketball.

You said:

Bruce Pearl was one of the top ten coaches in college basketball during his time here

He was clearly not one of the top ten coaches in college basketball during his time here. Just because he was ranked high for some of that time, or posted similar records, doesn't make him one of the top ten coaches.
 
#92
#92
You said:



He was clearly not one of the top ten coaches in college basketball during his time here. Just because he was ranked high for some of that time, or posted similar records, doesn't make him one of the top ten coaches.

What can you base it on then besides having similar records, He beat Jay Wright, and Jamie Dixon head to head, owned Calipari when he was at memphis before Calipari moved to one of the top two jobs in NCAA basketball, owned billy Donovan head to head, split with bill Self, and Thad matta, lost by two in his only match up with tom izzo....he did get routed by Rick Pitino though.
 
#93
#93
it does not matter what what your opinion or mine opinion is.....I was stating facts based on their first six years at a big time school, Showing how each coach did and how pearl compared to them.

Here's some more facts. Within Donovan's first 6 years, he'd been to a National Championship game and a Sweet 16, and won 2 SEC Titles.

Bill Self: made an elite eight at Tulsa and then made an elite eight at Illinois, made an elite eight at Kansas and won a National Title all within his first 6 years at each of those schools.

Coach K: went 37-3 in his 6 year and lost in the National Title game.

Roy WIlliams: Had 2 Final Fours and a Sweet 16 in his first 6 years at Kansas. Only had 4 30 win seasons.

Rick Pitino: Took Louisville to a Final Four in year 4. Took over a UK team on probation and got them to an elite eight in year 6 followed by a NCAA Championship and a return trip to the Title game the following year.

Brad Stevens: At freaking Butler, has made 2 National Championship games in his first 4 years.

Bobby Knight: 141-31 in his first 6 years that featured a Title and another Final Four appearance.

In other words, there are numerous, numerous coaches that have been more successful than Pearl. Pearl's a good and not great coach.
 
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#94
What can you base it on then besides having similar records, He beat Jay Wright, and Jamie Dixon head to head, owned Calipari when he was at memphis before Calipari moved to one of the top two jobs in NCAA basketball, owned billy Donovan head to head, split with bill Self, and Thad matta, lost by two in his only match up with tom izzo....he did get routed by Rick Pitino though.

Did he beat those teams when it mattered (other than Matta, that was obviously an amazing win)? Here's the difference in those coaches and Pearl. They have been to multiple elite eights, final fours, and national titles. Pearl couldn't even beat MSU in the SEC title game a couple years ago. He was a very good coach. He was not a top ten coach.
 
#95
#95
Just take the last 6 years NCAA tournaments and compare winning percentages. This is the bottom line in NCAA basketball. I think Tennessee was 9 and 6. If a coach had a team that did not make it one of those years then they are out of the comparison or just give them a loss for that year in calculating the percentage. Take the winning percentages and see where he sits. If he sits in the top ten then he is a top 10 coach. If his winning percentage is not in the top 10 then it is a valid point that he is not a top 10 coach. If it is, then it is a valid argument that he is.
 
#96
#96
Just take the last 6 years NCAA tournaments and compare winning percentages. This is the bottom line in NCAA basketball. I think Tennessee was 9 and 6. If a coach had a team that did not make it one of those years then they are out of the comparison or just give them a loss for that year in calculating the percentage. Take the winning percentages and see where he sits. If he sits in the top ten then he is a top 10 coach. If his winning percentage is not in the top 10 then it is a valid point that he is not a top 10 coach. If it is, then it is a valid argument that he is.

Here is a list of coaches and their winning percentage in the NCAA tournament from 2008:

1. Mike Krzyzewski, Duke, 69-21 (.767)
2. Billy Donovan, Florida, 22-7 (.759)
3. Rick Pitino, Louisville, 34-11 (.756)
4. Tom Izzo, Michigan State, 26-9 (.743)
5. Roy Williams, North Carolina, 47-17 (.734)
6. Steve Fisher, San Diego State, 20-8 (.714)
6. Ben Howland, UCLA, 15-6 (.714)
8. Jim Calhoun, Connecticut, 41-18 (.695)
9. Tubby Smith, Minnesota, 29-13 (.690)
10. John Calipari, Memphis, 20-9 (.689)
11. Bill Self, Kansas, 18-9 (.667)
11. Thad Matta, Ohio State, 12-6 (.667)
13. Gary Williams, Maryland, 27-14 (.659)
14. Bruce Pearl, Tennessee, 7-4 (.636)
15. Mike Davis, Ala.-Birmingham, 7-4 (.636)
16. Jim Boeheim, Syracuse, 40-24 (.625)
17. Bruce Weber, Illinois, 10-6 (.625)
18. Bo Ryan, Wisconsin, 10-6 (.625)
19. Rick Majerus, St. Louis, 18-11 (.621)
20. Eddie Sutton, USF, 39-26 (.600)
 
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#97
What can you base it on then besides having similar records, He beat Jay Wright, and Jamie Dixon head to head, owned Calipari when he was at memphis before Calipari moved to one of the top two jobs in NCAA basketball, owned billy Donovan head to head, split with bill Self, and Thad matta, lost by two in his only match up with tom izzo....he did get routed by Rick Pitino though.

Great post but you should understand your giving facts and reasoning with unreasoning people on this forum. They don't back up their statements with facts they just throw out a lot of crap and hope some of it sticks. This is one of the best post I have seen in this forum.
 
#98
#98
Here is a list of coaches and their winning percentage in the NCAA tournament from 2008:

1. Mike Krzyzewski, Duke, 69-21 (.767)
2. Billy Donovan, Florida, 22-7 (.759)
3. Rick Pitino, Louisville, 34-11 (.756)
4. Tom Izzo, Michigan State, 26-9 (.743)
5. Roy Williams, North Carolina, 47-17 (.734)
6. Steve Fisher, San Diego State, 20-8 (.714)
6. Ben Howland, UCLA, 15-6 (.714)
8. Jim Calhoun, Connecticut, 41-18 (.695)
9. Tubby Smith, Minnesota, 29-13 (.690)
10. John Calipari, Memphis, 20-9 (.689)
11. Bill Self, Kansas, 18-9 (.667)
11. Thad Matta, Ohio State, 12-6 (.667)
13. Gary Williams, Maryland, 27-14 (.659)
14. Bruce Pearl, Tennessee, 7-4 (.636)
15. Mike Davis, Ala.-Birmingham, 7-4 (.636)
16. Jim Boeheim, Syracuse, 40-24 (.625)
17. Bruce Weber, Illinois, 10-6 (.625)
18. Bo Ryan, Wisconsin, 10-6 (.625)
19. Rick Majerus, St. Louis, 18-11 (.621)
20. Eddie Sutton, USF, 39-26 (.600)

Thats a pretty good post puts my man at 14th best coach based on your criteria. I can live with that. :thumbsup:
 
#99
#99
Great post but you should understand your giving facts and reasoning with unreasoning people on this forum. They don't back up their statements with facts they just throw out a lot of crap and hope some of it sticks. This is one of the best post I have seen in this forum.

So then you believe Pearl is as good or better than Jay Wright, Bill Self, John Calipari, Billy Donovan, Thad Matta and Jamie Dixon? Tell that to any basketball expert and you would get laughed out of a room...
 

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