Mass Shooting in Rock Hill, SC

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n_huffhines said:
So then nothing.

You're dealing in absolutes here and you've ruled it out as a cause based on no information other than "history", wtf that means.
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I wish I knew what study it was that I read but they study the data for all football players and compared it with the rest of society.... There was very little difference in football players and everyone else when it came to violent outbursts, suicide or anything of that nature. Differences were shown in an increase in memory loss, early onset dementia, and Alzheimer’s..... I think CTE is becoming an excuse when things like this happens.
 
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hog88 said:
There is no documented history of CTE being the cause of murder let alone mass murder. He had other issues. Claiming CTE caused this is a copout.
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We have plenty of history linking CTE to violence, so you cannot rule it out. There is no reason to. The absence of proof that it caused a murder is not proof that it can't be the cause.

On a side note, where can I find the documented history of "the" causes of murders? I don't think this is a thing. In every case, it's a matter of opinion, so any CTE linked to murder would count as a documented case for those that buy that opinion.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I wish I knew what study it was that I read but they study the data for all football players and compared it with the rest of society.... There was very little difference in football players and everyone else when it came to violent outbursts, suicide or anything of that nature. Differences were shown in an increase in memory loss, early onset dementia, and Alzheimer’s..... I think CTE is becoming an excuse when things like this happens.
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Just ask the Ktown kid. If they’re white it’s just another domestic white terrorist. If they’re black or brown it’s a mental illness or some other excuse.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I wish I knew what study it was that I read but they study the data for all football players and compared it with the rest of society.... There was very little difference in football players and everyone else when it came to violent outbursts, suicide or anything of that nature. Differences were shown in an increase in memory loss, early onset dementia, and Alzheimer’s..... I think CTE is becoming an excuse when things like this happens.
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By all accounts, Junior Seau was the nicest guy in the world. He went nuts in his 40's and out of nowhere had a domestic violence call. Then he suicided himself, going through incredible pain shooting his own chest because he wanted them to study his brain because he knew there was something wrong with it.

TBI is real. There is real science to back it. Just because the average NFL player isn't more violent than the average American doesn't mean that TBI doesn't explain these rare cases.
 
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n_huffhines said:
By all accounts, Junior Seau was the nicest guy in the world. He went nuts in his 40's and out of nowhere had a domestic violence call. Then he suicided himself, going through incredible pain shooting his own chest because he wanted them to study his brain because he knew there was something wrong with it.

TBI is real. There is real science to back it. Just because the average NFL player isn't more violent than the average American doesn't mean that TBI doesn't explain these rare cases.
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Maybe there’s a lot of CTE sufferers in Chicago and many other large dim controlled cities.
 
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hog88 said:
My theory is he was addicted to pain killers, was having a tough time adjusting to life after football and having financial problems. Doc cut off his supply of pain killers and he snapped.

Just a theory.
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Anytime a doctor is killed by a former patient, I’m going to assume pill head or angry about mistreatment. In this case, I agree with your theory.
 
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hog88 said:
Common sense and history. I don't know why he did what he did but whatever reason it wasn't because of CTE. At most CTE was a down the line contributing factor in the sense it made it more difficult for him to handle whatever other problems he had but it wasn't THE cause.
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If the CTE messed with him enough and drove him into depression or to drugs it would certainly be the cause.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I checked the UpToDate page on CTE, and "prone to murder family and young children" didn't appear as a clinical manifestation.
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Nothing on violence/mood swings/depression/confusion?

Considering this is arguably the first time CTE is being linked to murdering children I dont think that qualifies as "prone".
 
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n_huffhines said:
By all accounts, Junior Seau was the nicest guy in the world. He went nuts in his 40's and out of nowhere had a domestic violence call. Then he suicided himself, going through incredible pain shooting his own chest because he wanted them to study his brain because he knew there was something wrong with it.

TBI is real. There is real science to back it. Just because the average NFL player isn't more violent than the average American doesn't mean that TBI doesn't explain these rare cases.
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I work with TBI patients..... we hear the same kind of things about people that commit very similar acts daily that do not have CTE..... I don’t think players know how to adjust to life outside of football which leads to depression in some of these athletes.... The facts still remain that people outside of football are as prone to these kind of acts as football players that have experienced multiple concussions.
 
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LouderVol said:
If the CTE messed with him enough and drove him into depression or to drugs it would certainly be the cause.
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It would be a contributing factor, not the cause. His drug abuse and refusal to get help would rank higher in the causation than the CTE.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You seem more concerned with optics and how we judge this man in the court of public opinion than understanding what happened here.

Being an incel isn't an excuse. It's an explanation. Being crazy is an explanation. Being evil is an explanation. Having brain damage is an explanation. If we know what the causes are, we can use these incidents as cautionary tales.

If you go back far enough you'll find me resisting CTE (and TBI) as a skeptic, but I've been convinced over time because the science is convincing.
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The guy was an evil POS. That’s the explanation.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Not all brain injuries are created equal. Just because you've had a concussion doesn't mean there is anything wrong with you long-term. It can mean that, though. When we're talking about ex-NFL players, we're likely talking about dudes with incredible amounts of testosterone and then you mix that with bad wiring and sometimes it's a recipe for disaster.
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Frontal head injuries are the culprit. I’ve had 3 serious, loss of memory head injuries. None frontal. The most serious caused short term memory loss and loss of ability to string words together.
It would in fact have to be a frontal injury because Judgement and higher thinking take place in the frontal lobe.
 
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hog88 said:
It would be a contributing factor, not the cause. His drug abuse and refusal to get help would rank higher in the causation than the CTE.
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Help doesnt always help.

In this scenario if there is no CTE there is no drugs/mental problems. So it would be the base cause of it all.
 
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LouderVol said:
Help doesnt always help.

In this scenario if there is no CTE there is no drugs/mental problems. So it would be the base cause of it all.
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There is no possible way to know that. The guy also suffered ankle injuries so it is very possible his drug abuse started with pain killers prescribed for that.
 
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