Mass shootings in Maine

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benholt06 said:
Tougher gun laws correlate to almost no mass shootings in free countries all over the world. Some of those countries have black people. Interesting theory though Simon.

And you’re talking about homicides, like the other guy. It’s such obfuscation. I’m talking about mass shootings, not all homicide. Just because they are also homicide doesn’t mean you can’t address it as it’s own issue. And addressing that issue is probably going to involve the discussion of ARs.
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And those countries don't have a bill of rights that afford us more freedoms and protections than they have.
 
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benholt06 said:
On the subject of money generating schemes, can you tell me how many Democrats the NRA donates money to?
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Move the goalposts......I honestly don't care to look into it. Everybody in those buildings are fleecing you and I and getting away with doing things they'd put us in prison for.......

But cary water for half the equation.....
 
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benholt06 said:
Tougher gun laws correlate to almost no mass shootings in free countries all over the world. Some of those countries have black people. Interesting theory though Simon.

And you’re talking about homicides, like the other guy. It’s such obfuscation. I’m talking about mass shootings, not all homicide. Just because they are also homicide doesn’t mean you can’t address it as it’s own issue. And addressing that issue is probably going to involve the discussion of ARs.
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If mass shootings were as big of a problem as you believe, wouldn’t they show up in overall homicide numbers?

Yet white homicide rates remain far, far lower than black rates.

I use this comparison rather than different countries because there’s more similarities between environment than there are between Japan and the US for example.

Many would even argue that black Americans live with tougher gun laws since they’re charged with gun crimes more often. Yet it doesn’t seem to help.

Why?
 
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Vol8188 said:
If mass shootings were as big of a problem as you believe, wouldn’t they show up in overall homicide numbers?

Yet white homicide rates remain far, far lower than black rates.

I use this comparison rather than different countries because there’s more similarities between environment than there are between Japan and the US for example.

Many would even argue that black Americans live with tougher gun laws since they’re charged with gun crimes more often. Yet it doesn’t seem to help.

Why?
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Jesus dude I’ve heard enough of your racial theories. It’s not even relative to this discussion. Goodbye
 
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InVOLuntary said:
It was. When I posted that, the picture was already out showing he was a white dude. I posted it to get the liberals all in a tizzy (even though we know they were pumped it was a white, American male). Sounds like it worked.
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I'm clearly frazzled.

You should find more fulfilling ways to get your rocks off.
 
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benholt06 said:
Tougher gun laws correlate to almost no mass shootings in free countries all over the world. Some of those countries have black people. Interesting theory though Simon.

And you’re talking about homicides, like the other guy. It’s such obfuscation. I’m talking about mass shootings, not all homicide. Just because they are also homicide doesn’t mean you can’t address it as it’s own issue. And addressing that issue is probably going to involve the discussion of ARs.
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If you want to talk countries here’s an example:

Canada: 2 per 100k
White US: 2.5 per 100k
Black US: around 18-19 per 100k

I will say all of these numbers move slightly every year, but you never really see massive difference.

So the white rate is nearly the same as Canada despite having much higher population density in the US, much looser gun laws, and more mass murders (at least you believe they’re significantly higher).

How do you see those facts and think “the problem is the guns!”
 
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benholt06 said:
Jesus dude I’ve heard enough of your racial theories. It’s not even relative to this discussion. Goodbye
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It’s not a theory. It’s a fact. If guns were the problem the white homicide rate wouldn’t be nearly the same as the Canadian homicide rate.

It’s something that needs to be explained if you’re going to make the argument that the problem is the guns
 
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KB5252 said:
Move the goalposts......I honestly don't care to look into it. Everybody in those buildings are fleecing you and I and getting away with doing things they'd put us in prison for.......

But cary water for half the equation.....
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Yeah I know. Your second amendment rights are absolute and without caveat, and definitely more important than people’s right to go bowling without getting murdered.

NRA gives to only one party and that party fights to ensure there are no measures that would lead to them selling less guns. It’s really a simple transaction. I know you say you don’t like them but they’re very influential and you’ve obviously read some of their literature. Do they not go far enough? You more of a Gunz-4-Totz guy? 😂
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You ever spent time in Australia?

Dick riding the BoR rings hollow when it's circumvented as much as it is.
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No but I have close friends that live about 30 miles outside of Melbourne, they can be arrested for speech. They can be prosecuted for defending their home from a burglary, forget about protesting the parliament. Hell during Covid they were banned from leaving their houses without a scheduled appointment so what do you want to compare with Australia?
 
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benholt06 said:
Yeah I know. Your second amendment rights are absolute and without caveat, and definitely more important than people’s right to go bowling without getting murdered.

NRA gives to only one party and that party fights to ensure there are no measures that would lead to them selling less guns. It’s really a simple transaction. I know you say you don’t like them but they’re very influential and you’ve obviously read some of their literature. Do they not go far enough? You more of a Gunz-4-Totz guy? 😂
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2.0 Canada
2.5 White America

You can’t proclaim it’s guns that are the problem.
 
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benholt06 said:
Yeah I know. Your second amendment rights are absolute and without caveat, and definitely more important than people’s right to go bowling without getting murdered.

NRA gives to only one party and that party fights to ensure there are no measures that would lead to them selling less guns. It’s really a simple transaction. I know you say you don’t like them but they’re very influential and you’ve obviously read some of their literature. Do they not go far enough? You more of a Gunz-4-Totz guy? 😂
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Are you ever going to provide us with sound and rational ideas or just spew childish nonsense?
 
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hog88 said:
And those countries don't have a bill of rights that afford us more freedoms and protections than they have.
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Don't be absurd. They're all totally free countries--and they have voters and politicians with sane views about avoiding gun violence. The "freedom" that seems so important to you turns out to be the freedom to kill lots of innocent people frequently. Against that practical reality, your desire to be a sheriff wannabe isn't all that important...to rational people, anyway.
 
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turbovol said:
Don't be absurd. They're all totally free countries--and they have voters and politicians with sane views about avoiding gun violence. The "freedom" that seems so important to you turns out to be the freedom to kill lots of innocent people frequently. Against that practical reality, your desire to be a sheriff wannabe isn't all that important...to rational people, anyway.
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Totally free? When you can be arrested and charged for speech you are not totally free. When you can be arrested and charged for peacefully protesting your government you are not totally free. When the government can place you on house arrest during a crisis and you have no recourse you are not totally free.
 
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GVF said:
Fact of the matter is there is no gun legislation from either party that can solve gun violence, whereas the actual gun is concerned.
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Stupid comment. All of these mass shootings involved assault rifles. It's beyond obvious that assault rifles should be banned in America--and it's a national disgrace and embarrassment that they haven't been because we've got a large number of idiotic, irresponsible hicks in this country and their gutless, pathetic GOP representatives, who simply grift for NRA contributions. Weasels.
 
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hog88 said:
Totally free? When you can be arrested and charged for speech you are not totally free. When you can be arrested and charged for peacefully protesting your government you are not totally free. When the government can place you on house arrest during a crisis and you have no recourse you are not totally free.
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Which countries are you talking about here, ace? We're the only OECD country that has mass shootings.
 
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Didn't take long for the gun control narrative to slip out. Though I did see an unverified report the weapon used might have been obtained at a National Guard armory.

Not that liberals wouldn't still stand on the still warm bodies and use it for their own gain.
 
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hog88 said:
You can't list any policies the Dems have proposed that would stop or reduce mass shootings. But to answer your question. Just like the Dems have no solutions, neither do the Republicans.
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A ban on assault rifles, for starters. Thanks for playing. Don't pretend that Dems don't have proposals/plans for tougher gun regulations.
 
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hog88 said:
Totally free? When you can be arrested and charged for speech you are not totally free. When you can be arrested and charged for peacefully protesting your government you are not totally free. When the government can place you on house arrest during a crisis and you have no recourse you are not totally free.
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Hell, we're not in a free country anymore. In the last 30-40 years, we've lost so many freedoms, it's laughable.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Didn't take long for the gun control narrative to slip out. Though I did see an unverified report the weapon used might have been obtained at a National Guard armory.

Not that liberals wouldn't still stand on the still warm bodies and use it for their own gain.
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It was in the OP, while the shooting was still actively occurring. Insane
 
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Robert Card was Not Trained As Firearms Instructor In Army, Military Says​

Robert Card has been described as a firearms instructor but he did not train for that through the Army, a spokesperson said today.

“The Army did not train SFC Card as a firearms instructor, nor did he serve in that capacity for the Army,” Army spokesperson Bryce Dubee said in a statement today. SFC refers to Card's rank of Sergeant First Class.

 
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InVOLuntary said:
Maybe if someone there had been armed they could have stopped it before he was able to shoot so many and move to a second location and shoot more?

Again, your focus is on the tool he used rather than the person responsible for the atrocity. Until you and your gun grabbing friends stop with the simple mindedness nothing will change. Here we have an ex-military, firearms instructor, that's currently in the reserves, do this. What if a policeman had done this? Would you want to take Jimmy Joe's gun in Topeka, KS because a cop in Escambia, NY had mental breakdown?
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Why do you think this problem is almost exclusively in America? America sure isn't the only country with mentally ill people walking among us.
 
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