Mass shootings in Maine

[lawgator1]

Right wing politics doesn't seem to be the motivation. A bar and a bowling alley hardly seem like prime targets for finding lefties to go after to make some kind of statement.

The mental illness issue sure seems to fit, though news stories say his hospitalization was a one-off incident and he was not any sort of long term mental health patient.

So, motive or cause both remain a mystery at this point. If he is captured alive perhaps more will be known, though of course he would then be incentivized to make it a mental illness issue so we'd have to take that with a grain of salt.)

 

[PEPPERJAX]

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[InVOLuntary]

I'm sure it was.

It was. When I posted that, the picture was already out showing he was a white dude. I posted it to get the liberals all in a tizzy (even though we know they were pumped it was a white, American male). Sounds like it worked.

 

[benholt06]

This is nothing more than a political football used by elite men and women to keep us arguing amongst each other instead of throwing them out of office and ending their personal ATM and money generating schemes for friends and family.

Nothing more, nothing less. The fact you believe one superior to the other is laughable.

On the subject of money generating schemes, can you tell me how many Democrats the NRA donates money to?

 

[hog88]

They had an assault weapons ban for like ten years during which deaths and number of incidents were down and they’d prob institute it again if they could get past GOP obstruction. That’s just one example. You want me to list individual things so you can read to me from your shill handbook about why it won’t work. I’m good on that, I’m on a nonfiction kick right now.

I like how you’re like "well.. what can you do?" when virtually every other civilized nation on the Earth has almost zero of these killings and we have 565 this year with 2 months left.

You care more about having a certain kind of pew pew than people’s lives. Just embrace it, there, complicit. Well, you kinda have I guess.

You might want to look at what the 1994 AWB actually banned, it was just cosmetics and nothing functional about semi-automatic magazine fed weapons. Absolutely nothing about the functionality of AR-15s was banned. So try again.

I care more about individual rights and the constitution than I do your feelings. If you and those that think like you want to ban certain firearms or firearms altogether get off your azzes and get started on amending the constitution.

 

[hog88]

On the subject of money generating schemes, can you tell me how many Democrats the NRA donates money to?

The NRA is a useless organization.

 

[benholt06]

Kneeling with kente cloth wasn’t about shootings, it was about George Floyd and 100% comically performative. Not sure why that makes praying on camera any less performative though

Performance with action. Black people vote Dem in pretty high percentages, so maybe they were happy with Pelosi kneeling for George Floyd. I don’t really care.

I’m criticizing these guys because I think praying in public knowing they’re the people in position to do something and won’t is an empty gesture from my POV. And also I don’t think it works, but that’s a matter of my own personal faith.

 

[InVOLuntary]

GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES ACT OF 1990 | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

Introduced by Herb Kohl (D) from Wisconsin and signed into Law by Bush Sr. Not sure it ever prevented a nefarious action.

You mean criminals don't follow the law? How rude of them. Maybe if we made it a hate crime the school shooters would have taken it more seriously.

 

[hog88]

Performance with action. Black people vote Dem in pretty high percentages, so maybe they were happy with Pelosi kneeling for George Floyd. I don’t really care.

I’m criticizing these guys for because I think praying in public knowing they’re the people in position to do something and won’t. It’s an empty gesture from my POV. And also I don’t think it works, but that’s a matter of my own personal faith.

When the Dems were in control of both chambers and the WH they did nothing.

 

[benholt06]

You might want to look at what the 1994 AWB actually banned, it was just cosmetics and nothing functional about semi-automatic magazine fed weapons. Absolutely nothing about the functionality of AR-15s was banned. So try again.

I care more about individual rights and the constitution than I do your feelings. If you and those that think like you want to ban certain firearms or firearms altogether get off your azzes and get started on amending the constitution.

Well something worked because the numbers were objectively down, especially from now when they’re crazy freaking high.

My feelings are not the ones laying on the ground in Lewiston, complicit. You care more about your individual right than people’s lives. Just say it. Nobody wants your pistols or huntin’ rifles, no amendment is absolute, you’re being selfish. There’s no amending needed. You’re living a hero fantasy.

 

[GVF]

Fact of the matter is there is no gun legislation from either party that can solve gun violence, whereas the actual gun is concerned.

 

[hog88]

Well something worked because the numbers were objectively down, especially from now when they’re crazy freaking high.

My feelings are not the ones laying on the ground in Lewiston, complicit. You care more about your individual right than people’s lives. Just say it. Nobody wants your pistols or huntin’ rifles, no amendment is absolute, you’re being selfish. There’s no amending needed. You’re living a hero fantasy.

There were very few mass shootings prior to the AWB, numbers started ticking up before the ban expired. And to top it off what you would consider an assault weapon is seldom used in mass shootings. Handguns are overwhelmingly used more in mass shootings that rifles of any kind. Educate yourself on the subject before you try to debate it.

I do care about lives but nothing has been proposed that would stop or even slow down these mass shootings. It's the old "we gotta do something" attitude that leads to bad legislation and the erosion of law abiding citizens rights.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Well something worked because the numbers were objectively down, especially from now when they’re crazy freaking high.

My feelings are not the ones laying on the ground in Lewiston, complicit. You care more about your individual right than people’s lives. Just say it. Nobody wants your pistols or huntin’ rifles, no amendment is absolute, you’re being selfish. There’s no amending needed. You’re living a hero fantasy.

The type of gun used in most US homicides is not an AR-15

Handguns are responsible for nearly two-thirds of the nation’s gun murders.

abcnews.go.com

Glad you are interested in saving lives but have no issues with pistols and rifles.

 

[benholt06]

The type of gun used in most US homicides is not an AR-15

Handguns are responsible for nearly two-thirds of the nation’s gun murders.

abcnews.go.com

Glad you are interested in saving lives but have no issues with pistols and rifles.

That’s homicides, not mass shooting events.

 

[hog88]

That’s homicides, not mass shooting events.

Here ya go. Covers pre, during and post AWB.

Guns used in mass shootings U.S. 2023 | Statista

 

[VOLS INC.]

There were very few mass shootings prior to the AWB, numbers started ticking up before the ban expired. And to top it off what you would consider an assault weapon is seldom used in mass shootings. Handguns are overwhelmingly used more in mass shootings that rifles of any kind. Educate yourself on the subject before you try to debate it.

I do care about lives but nothing has been proposed that would stop or even slow down these mass shootings. It's the old "we gotta do something" attitude that leads to bad legislation and the erosion of law abiding citizens rights.

Everytime I jump back into one of these threads, there is always “that guy” that comes in ready and confident, but ultimately sounds like….

 

[VOLS INC.]

That’s homicides, not mass shooting events.

Oh. I’m sorry. I thought you cared about all lives, not just those that were lost in a mass shooting.

My mistake.

 

[hog88]

Oh. I’m sorry. I thought you cared about all lives, not just those that were lost in a mass shootings.

My mistake.

He doesn't give a shat about lives.

 

[benholt06]

There were very few mass shootings prior to the AWB, numbers started ticking up before the ban expired. And to top it off what you would consider an assault weapon is seldom used in mass shootings. Handguns are overwhelmingly used more in mass shootings that rifles of any kind. Educate yourself on the subject before you try to debate it.

I do care about lives but nothing has been proposed that would stop or even slow down these mass shootings. It's the old "we gotta do something" attitude that leads to bad legislation and the erosion of law abiding citizens rights.

But universal background checks is an infringement? Yeah we’ve been through this. You’re very educated about guns and very delusional about them. Mass shootings are a uniquely American problem because of attitudes like yours. But on the bright side I’d say your house is pretty secure. I bet those people out living their lives in Lewiston wished they were in a secure house when that broke out.

How dare somebody have a "we gotta do something" attitude about murder victims. Nah, I get it. It was nobody you cared about.

 

[hog88]

But universal background checks is an infringement? Yeah we’ve been through this. You’re very educated about guns and very delusional about them. Mass shootings are a uniquely American problem because of attitudes like yours. But on the bright side I’d say your house is pretty secure. I bet those people out living their lives in Lewiston wished they were in a secure house when that broke out.

How dare somebody have a "we gotta do something" attitude about murder victims. Nah, I get it. It was nobody you cared about.

See now you go all Turbo on us. Don't let your feelings get in the way of rational thought.

Line out some solutions if you're so passionate about the subject. I'm sure that you have researched it and can come up with some good ideas that will work.

 

[Vol8188]

But universal background checks is an infringement? Yeah we’ve been through this. You’re very educated about guns and very delusional about them. Mass shootings are a uniquely American problem because of attitudes like yours. But on the bright side I’d say your house is pretty secure. I bet those people out living their lives in Lewiston wished they were in a secure house when that broke out.

How dare somebody have a "we gotta do something" attitude about murder victims. Nah, I get it. It was nobody you cared about.

The problem though is tougher gun laws don’t correlate on a state level with homicide rates. The thing that does correlate the most is black population as a % to homicides per capita (why Louisiana and Mississippi are always at the top and places like Memphis, Chicago, and Baltimore are near the top for cities).

If you actually look at the white homicide rate it’s not very high (around 2.5 per 100k).

I agree there’s an issue. But it’s not guns. And gun laws aren’t going to solve it. The changes that need to be made are social changes, not changes in gun laws

 

[hndog609]

There were very few mass shootings prior to the AWB, numbers started ticking up before the ban expired. And to top it off what you would consider an assault weapon is seldom used in mass shootings. Handguns are overwhelmingly used more in mass shootings that rifles of any kind. Educate yourself on the subject before you try to debate it.

I do care about lives but nothing has been proposed that would stop or even slow down these mass shootings. It's the old "we gotta do something" attitude that leads to bad legislation and the erosion of law abiding citizens rights.

The boldened is something overlooked with astonishing regularity when discussing this topic.

 

[benholt06]

Oh. I’m sorry. I thought you cared about all lives, not just those that were lost in a mass shooting.

My mistake.

Hahahah. Well they all end up dead so who cares? Why not give me the cancer and heart disease stats too there skipper?

 

[hog88]

It's a fact that there were less (almost unheard of) mass shootings, indiscriminate shootings and school shootings when there were no BGCs and you could order guns out of a catalog COD with delivery through the mail to your house. There were magazine fed semi-automatic rifles and magazine fed handguns back then so the types of weapons haven't changed it's the people that have changed. When you figure out how to solve the people problem then you will have solved the mass shooting problem. Until then no bans or additional regulations are going to do anything to stop or limit them.

 

[benholt06]

The problem though is tougher gun laws don’t correlate on a state level with homicide rates. The thing that does correlate the most is black population as a % to homicides per capita (why Louisiana and Mississippi are always at the top and places like Memphis, Chicago, and Baltimore are near the top for cities).

If you actually look at the white homicide rate it’s not very high (around 2.5 per 100k).

I agree there’s an issue. But it’s not guns. And gun laws aren’t going to solve it. The changes that need to be made are social changes, not changes in gun laws

Tougher gun laws correlate to almost no mass shootings in free countries all over the world. Some of those countries have black people. Interesting theory though Simon.

And you’re talking about homicides, like the other guy. It’s such obfuscation. I’m talking about mass shootings, not all homicide. Just because they are also homicide doesn’t mean you can’t address it as it’s own issue. And addressing that issue is probably going to involve the discussion of ARs.