Mass shootings in Maine

I'm for temporary taking guns from people who make overt threats to murder people with guns. Until such time as they are deemed to no longer be a threat. If that's a red flag law definition, sign me up.

Is that anti gun? Is that a law that will only affect the law abiding?

It's tiring having to repeat myself while you guys conflate and contort my words to mean something different from what I'm saying.

If you can't remain honest in the conversation, I'll gladly remove myself and you all can continue to create phantom arguments to attack.
What's your standard of proof you would require? A simple disgruntled neighbor making the claim? What about a disgruntled significant other?
 
42k deaths from intentional vehicular homicide?

Why not compare mass shootings to heart disease and whine about how we're not blaming pizza and burgers?
more than half of the shootings are suicides, so homicide isn't a qualification. and even after that accidental self deaths via guns is still a separate number. and then you even have the justified shootings that wouldn't be tracked in a homicide/murder statistic. so car deaths vs gun deaths is a fair comparison.

car and gun deaths are similar in number, within 10% of each other. and occur via the improper application of a regulated tool. tools which have several legal uses.

heart disease kills about 15x more people, it would minimize those numbers to compare them to gun deaths. heart disease is almost wholly a self created issue, at least at the rates we see.

if I was going to compare heart disease to gun deaths, I would correctly point out that in both cases its a PEOPLE problem and not a gun/pizza/hamburger problem.
 
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How would red flag laws impact the black community? What's the stats on shooting by race? How would liberals make it work and not seem like targeting blacks?
 
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more than half of the shootings are suicides, so homicide isn't a qualification. and even after that accidental self deaths via guns is still a separate number. and then you even have the justified shootings that wouldn't be tracked in a homicide/murder statistic. so car deaths vs gun deaths is a fair comparison.

car and gun deaths are similar in number, within 10% of each other. and occur via the improper application of a regulated tool. tools which have several legal uses.

heart disease kills about 15x more people, it would minimize those numbers to compare them to gun deaths. heart disease is almost wholly a self created issue, at least at the rates we see.

if I was going to compare heart disease to gun deaths, I would correctly point out that in both cases its a PEOPLE problem and not a gun/pizza/hamburger problem.

I've lost track of the argument you're trying to make.

Is it that "auto accident deaths are the same as mass shootings" so why don't we ban cars?

I hope not.
 
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I've lost track of the argument you're trying to make.

Is it that "auto accident deaths are the same as mass shootings" so why don't we ban cars?

I hope not.
I may be way off base, and if so then I apologize, but are you always a smartass in "real life" (outside of message boards)? Your posts are rarely not in that tone from my viewpoint. Just my observation. Carry on.
 
I may be way off base, and if so then I apologize, but are you always a smartass in "real life" (outside of message boards)? Your posts are rarely not in that tone from my viewpoint. Just my observation. Carry on.

Probably depends on who you ask. My guess is that those that take offense to my tone or style are the same as those that generally disagree with the content.
 
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I've lost track of the argument you're trying to make.

Is it that "auto accident deaths are the same as mass shootings" so why don't we ban cars?

I hope not.
you were trying to argue that guns were the problem, not crazy people. when I point out that cars are an equal problem you freak out and get off track.

Since I am for not banning any guns, or any red-flag laws, why would I be pushing a ban on cars? That's just more deflection by you.
 
you were trying to argue that guns were the problem, not crazy people. when I point out that cars are an equal problem you freak out and get off track.

Since I am for not banning any guns, or any red-flag laws, why would I be pushing a ban on cars? That's just more deflection by you.

No I wasn't.

Just because you want my argument to be that doesn't make it so.

I've stated that crazy people with easy access to guns is the problem. Mass shootings wouldn't happen without an equal amount of both of those ingredients. You don't have to like it but it's undeniable. The argument that guns don't shoot themselves holds up until it's pointed out that crazy people aren't throwing bags of marshmallows to efficiently and quickly commit mass murder in crowded spaces.

Conflating car deaths and murder is a nonsensical, it deserves ridicule.

You guys are trying too hard to paint me as the anti-gun boogy man. It's ironic because I've spent the last two days trying to decide between Federal HST and Hornaday Critical Defense vs Critical duty for my new Glock 27.
 
No. And I'm not sure why you called me a simpleton. I haven't expressed an opinion on the gun control/rights stuff other than say something that might offend one of your brothers in arms who isn't self aware enough to realize he's an emotional b!tch. But keep trying simplemod.

Would you like to answer the fundamental question of the thread?
No.

See?

All hat, no cattle.

I guess maybe we should "just do SOMETHING?"
 
No I wasn't.

Just because you want my argument to be that doesn't make it so.

I've stated that crazy people with easy access to guns is the problem. Mass shootings wouldn't happen without an equal amount of both of those ingredients. You don't have to like it but it's undeniable. The argument that guns don't shoot themselves holds up until it's pointed out that crazy people aren't throwing bags of marshmallows to efficiently and quickly commit mass murder in crowded spaces.

Conflating car deaths and murder is a nonsensical, it deserves ridicule.

You guys are trying too hard to paint me as the anti-gun boogy man. It's ironic because I've spent the last two days trying to decide between Federal HST and Hornaday Critical Defense vs Critical duty for my new Glock 27.
Don't tell @Grand Vol know you bought a 40 S&W. He calls them the 40 short & weak.

I just picked this beauty up today, in God's caliber. 20231101_184320.jpg
 
No I wasn't.

Just because you want my argument to be that doesn't make it so.

I've stated that crazy people with easy access to guns is the problem. Mass shootings wouldn't happen without an equal amount of both of those ingredients. You don't have to like it but it's undeniable. The argument that guns don't shoot themselves holds up until it's pointed out that crazy people aren't throwing bags of marshmallows to efficiently and quickly commit mass murder in crowded spaces.

Conflating car deaths and murder is a nonsensical, it deserves ridicule.

You guys are trying too hard to paint me as the anti-gun boogy man. It's ironic because I've spent the last two days trying to decide between Federal HST and Hornaday Critical Defense vs Critical duty for my new Glock 27.

HST without a doubt.

Winchester Ranger T and Remington Golden Saber bonded work great as well.
 
I've stated that crazy people with easy access to guns is the problem. Mass shootings wouldn't happen without an equal amount of both of those ingredients.
And I've pointed out that lots of mass killers have had no contact with the legal system prior to their rampage. So we can't use the legal system to curb mass shootings effectively.

And I've pointed out that like Robert Card, most mass killers aren't legally sick enough to be "locked up in the loony bin" for significant time to keep them away from their weapons or to get a court order revoking their rights to weapons as a public danger.

And I've pointed out that there's no law requiring a background check for a privately sold weapon in TN (or in Maine) so even a "red flag law" won't stop a crazy person from buying another weapon if you take their current weapons.

I see that as strike 1, strike 2, and strike 3 UNLESS you want to make it easier to legally commit Americans OR create laws which restrict the private sale of weapons.

So what's your choice? Or both?
 
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And I've pointed out that lots of mass killers have had no contact with the legal system prior to their rampage. So we can't use the legal system to curb mass shootings effectively.

And I've pointed out that like Robert Card, most mass killers aren't legally sick enough to be "locked up in the loony bin" for significant time to keep them away from their weapons or to get a court order revoking their rights to weapons as a public danger.

And I've pointed out that there's no law requiring a background check for a privately sold weapon in TN (or in Maine) so even a "red flag law" won't stop a crazy person from buying another weapon if you take their current weapons.

I see that as strike 1, strike 2, and strike 3 UNLESS you want to make it easier to legally commit Americans OR create laws which restrict the private sale of weapons.

So what's your choice? Or both?
Add to that they'll always be a black market. Someone hell bent on doing harm will find a way to do harm. The Boston bombers proves that.
 
HST without a doubt.

Winchester Ranger T and Remington Golden Saber bonded work great as well.

I was thinking that too. I have a little .380 LCP2 that jams, alot. So I was turned on to the HST as a possible solution.
 
The G26 is a 9mm, I actually have the H&K compact .40

The same applies. Though I would avoid +P on that model airplane plastic mouse gun.

Federal, Winchester and Remington are all my go to brands.
 
The same applies. Though I would avoid +P on that model airplane plastic mouse gun.

Federal, Winchester and Remington are all my go to brands.

It sounds like the HST's are hard to come by around here.
 
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How would red flag laws impact the black community? What's the stats on shooting by race? How would liberals make it work and not seem like targeting blacks?

Yep, who gets charged disproportionately with all gun laws? Black Americans.

Who claims any policy with disproportionate racial outcome is racist? The left

Who supports gun laws? Also the left

I’m glad they can’t understand the transitive property of logic. Otherwise, they’d be really upset with themselves
 

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