Maui fire. What is going on?

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BigOrangeMojo said:
I will suspect Maui County Fire won't look good after this either....
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Eh, they’re still angling to play their get out of jail free card.

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Hawaiian Electric is a for-profit, investor-owned, publicly traded utility that serves 95% of Hawaii’s electric customers. CEO Shelee Kimura said there are important lessons to be learned from this tragedy, and resolved to “figure out what we need to do to keep our communities safe as climate issues rapidly intensify here and around the globe.”
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They can’t prove man made climate change caused it, but they don’t have to.
It’s the ambiguous “contributing factor”.

“Wouldn't have been as bad ya know, but…”
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:


well done
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I have still yet to see any actual pictures of a police barricade, and I would be interested to see a map of these fires and where the blockades were. I am not ready to ascribe these to nefarious purpose, and its yet to be proven that it was even stupidity.

There could easily have been a fire spreading to the next area, or some other obstruction ahead that required redirecting/blocking people. Even if there wasn't an obstruction it could have been part of an evacuation plan and communication wasn't up to snuff.

It seems a little counterintuitive on the face of things, but you really don't want panicked people running/driving willy-nilly all over the place during a disaster. Out of the frying pan into the fire type thinking.
 
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Not posting because I agree with him on everything, but I think he makes some VERY good points... I certainly agree with him, that the malfesence and criminal blockades are enough. Also you can't argue with the fact that those who ignored government orders came out best......seems to be a running theme lately. Wether you want to call it ineptness, malfeasancy, conspiracy or etc.... the best chance of survival was to follow your gut and ignore orders. being a sheep and follower got many KILLED.

I still have doubts on it just being power lines as residents and survivors all universally stated the power was turned off well before main fire spread. But honestly it doesn't matter the method. The offsite island meeting of emergency officials for just this sort of event is remenescent of every BS event we've had. Turning off the water. Road blocks. when there are literally only 2 paved roads out of town. Declaring the fire was under control, then pulling fire crews. Not a single fire engine in town. NO sirens even though you had complete emergency system. Sending home home unsupervised during an emergency. No real attempt to get the kids out or go door to door. (Imagine if those roadblocking police instead of blocking the path had gone in to help people get out?) The fact this huge fire somehow missed the one large hotel structure and the governors house is suss as hell. The battles over land that preceded it. The news blackout now. The lies about fatalities and number dead. The blocking of relief supplies... I mean Jesus....what do some of you guys need to see at the very least to agree this is the worst disaster organization I have just about ever seen. If it's ineptness it's reached a criminal level at best. Excusing it will net you what exactly?

Hey you might want to be reminded that one of the first two 15 minute "smart cities" stateside is right here in TN. If they get away with the wholesale land grab there, they will be emboldened to do it here next. Looking at my Chattanooga homies.
 
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LouderVol said:
It seems a little counterintuitive on the face of things, but you really don't want panicked people running/driving willy-nilly all over the place during a disaster. Out of the frying pan into the fire type thinking.
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Yet you have now taught them that in a crisis their best chance for survival is to either drive around or over the cops standing between them and life. Keep boot licking... Best case scenerio if this is excused police "just following orders", in the future they will be ignored, and possibly be put in danger, as there is no way someone is going to stop for them. There is now no trust. If I'm a Maui Cop I'd be pissed as hell at the position I was put in, and what that cost both the community in lives, and my own reputation. The reason it seems counterintuitive is it WAS counterintuitive, those LEO's would have been doing much more good if they'd been sent house to house at start to knock on doors and get people out.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I will suspect Maui County Fire won't look good after this either....
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They're are less than 80 firefighters on the island with a little over half on duty at any given moment. I'm not sure they can or should be held responsible for bureaucratic nonsense over their heads.

I think the number I saw was 47 on duty that night.
 
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Grand Vol said:
They're are less than 80 firefighters on the island with a little over half on duty at any given moment. I'm not sure they can or should be held responsible for bureaucratic nonsense over their heads.

I think the number I saw was 47 on duty that night.
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I purposefully stated "Maui County Fire" to represent the bureaucratic issues/understaffing and not to place blame at those fighting the fires....
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Yet you have now taught them that in a crisis their best chance for survival is to either drive around or over the cops standing between them and life. Keep boot licking... Best case scenerio if this is excused police "just following orders", in the future they will be ignored, and possibly be put in danger, as there is no way someone is going to stop for them. There is now no trust. If I'm a Maui Cop I'd be pissed as hell at the position I was put in, and what that cost both the community in lives, and my own reputation. The reason it seems counterintuitive is it WAS counterintuitive, those LEO's would have been doing much more good if they'd been sent house to house at start to knock on doors and get people out.
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Its not bootlicking, its personal experience, training, and a lick of common sense. One of the main differences in being a licensed architect vs not being licensed, is being responsible for keeping people safe in buildings, and that goes from everything from natural disasters, man made fires, and everything in between. Its something I take extremely seriously so you can take your tone back to whatever conspiracy hole you crawled out from. Its taken our industry hundreds of failures, with many deaths, to figure out what works, even to this day we are constantly adapting our strategies and the codes to reflect the lessons learned. There is a huge noted difference in malfeasance, like chaining doors shut, and not not fully understanding how fires spread on the exterior of buildings, which has really only been studied in the last decade while I have been practicing but is a huge risk.

If you want to push that there is actual malfeasance, meaning intent, you need to provide some actual evidence for it. For Covid we had the emails from Fauci, but you have yet to provide anything that gets close to that. You are relying on unanswered questions and suppositions to create a story where lives were lost, creating a culture where it will be impossible to discern truth from fiction. You are no different than the government you claim to question; you use the same misinformation and distraction strategies while being extremely light on actual facts on a scale that will at least get close to the truth. if you want things to get better for the next time, you need to start being better yourself.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I purposefully stated "Maui County Fire" to represent the bureaucratic issues/understaffing and not to place blame at those fighting the fires....
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I think the bigger questions are about that water control board person that suddenly got reassigned in the aftermath. The one talking about "water equity."

Why the sudden reassignment? What role did he play in this?

And the second question is why the water wasn't available?

Who made that call? Did the Fire Department not have control?

Third question is why that land was so mismanaged?

Hawaii has a Forestry Department. Were they not allowed to burn those areas lessening the fuel load? Were the local firefighters trained on grassland fires? It might not have been stopped entirely, but you can significantly slow the progress if the fuel load isn't causing flame lengths over ten feet. And it gives you more time to get additional resources to bear.

Regardless, as I've stated before, there was no way that fire could be controlled after it got started. But the old saying of ounce of prevention, pound of cure comes into play huge here.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I purposefully stated "Maui County Fire" to represent the bureaucratic issues/understaffing and not to place blame at those fighting the fires....
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Ah. I didn’t pick up that you were referring to that entity specifically. Thought you were referring to the fire in general.
 
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#lahaina_school_buses

intriguing. It would appear the current drone ticktoks show half the school buses are missing, not destroyed...just missing.

Might be nothing, if it's something will expect to see some better videos pop up.
 
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Grand Vol said:
They're are less than 80 firefighters on the island with a little over half on duty at any given moment. I'm not sure they can or should be held responsible for bureaucratic nonsense over their heads.

I think the number I saw was 47 on duty that night.
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BUt the fire fighters there claimed it was "contained", or at least someone over them did. Backtracking this seems to be one of the larger reasons people were unaware of danger. It certainly would be a reason for the Maui Police Patrols to be less aware as dispatch would tell them it was "contained"...
 
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clarksvol00 said:
That's nazi rocket scientist translation for "Rothschild space laser."
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You do not need Nazi's or Space Lasers......to Explain Elite Greed, Native land stolen, and MSM and Alphabets bumping fist to cover up the murder and steal..... that recipes been going on since wagon wheels, and black pwder. Here you have motives, you have malfeasnace, and you have the results.

Anything beyond that is obfuscation of those basic points.
 
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You make a psyop strawman about nazi-lasers that I did not see mentioned, when the malfeasance is easy to see, the play is easy to see, It's simple classic tyranny, create the crisis, create the solution use all as cover to take the people's land... Agenda 2030

 
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Watch the video...



He did emergency proclamattion 3 weeks PRIOR to the fire. Ya know before any emergency.
 
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Nick Fury and W.TN in a competition to see who can fall for the most Twitter conspiracy theories

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