Michael Sam, Missouri DE, Is Gay

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bamawriter said:
This explains a lot. It appears that your stance is based upon your own personal hangups. You aren't able to control your base tendencies, so you assume that no one else can.

That's called "projection".
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No, it's called science. There are literally hundreds of books on the male brain. There are also a number of scientific studies, among gay and straight men, that have reached this conclusion. Again, a significant portion of gay men have ADMITTED to having sex with strangers in public places. I see this with the gay men that I am friends with as well. So I know from my own mindset, I know from research, and I know from acquaintences that this is the norm rather than the exception
 
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omghulkhands said:
Boys that aren't attracted to girls. Kind of seems to be the point everyone is missing. Bamawriter did say that it could possibly be manipulated, but there are systems in place to prevent that.
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This is not true. The boy only has CLAIM that he identifies as the other sex. There is no proof required, and the teachers are required to abide by his CLAIMS.
 
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volbeast33 said:
That would settle the gay debate bc if u dropped me into the lockerroom full of naked wnba girls.....I would have a raging hard on.....im assuming it would be the same lol
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I hate to break it to you, but if you are attracted to the women in the WNBA, then you are a gay man.
 
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goldvol said:
No, it's called science. There are literally hundreds of books on the male brain. There are also a number of scientific studies, among gay and straight men, that have reached this conclusion. Again, a significant portion of gay men have ADMITTED to having sex with strangers in public places. I see this with the gay men that I am friends with as well. So I know from my own mindset, I know from research, and I know from acquaintences that this is the norm rather than the exception
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Whether or not a person, gay or straight, chooses to engage in risky sexual behavior does not make him "uncontrolled." That same person could quite easily walk into a room full of naked men or women, whoever he's attracted to, and not start gazing longingly at every person in sight.
 
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goldvol said:
This is not true. The boy only has CLAIM that he identifies as the other sex. There is no proof required, and the teachers are required to abide by his CLAIMS.
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What is not true? That is the purpose of the law. Can it be manipulated? yes. I said that. Do I trust admins and the other students to make sure it does not happen? yes, most of the time.

I am reasonably sure it isn't an open bathroom policy. These things will have protocol and if girls in the locker room think there is mischief going on they will point it out.
 
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omghulkhands said:
What is not true? That is the purpose of the law. Can it be manipulated? yes. I said that. Do I trust admins and the other students to make sure it does not happen? yes, most of the time.
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There is nothing in the law that allows the staff to make any kind of judgement call as to the persons claimed sexuality.

omghulkhands said:
I am reasonably sure it isn't an open bathroom policy. These things will have protocol and if girls in the locker room think there is mischief going on they will point it out.
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Well, then like bama a couple pages ago, you are misinformed. What would you consider mischied? because if my daughter was in california, I would not want males to be showering with her. Is that mischief, or do you feel that is her problem and she should deal with it?
 
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Furthermore, I am confused. We don't want the gay kid in the boys locker room or the girls locker room. What do we want then?
 
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goldvol said:
Well, then like bama a couple pages ago, you are misinformed.
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No, I'm not. The law provides access to facilities. It does not guarantee company.

Again, I'm not saying that abuse isn't possible. But abuse should be able to be recognized out and dealt with.
 
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bamawriter said:
No, I'm not. The law provides access to facilities. It does not guarantee company.

Again, I'm not saying that abuse isn't possible. But abuse should be able to be recognized out and dealt with.
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Right, the guy can be on the girl's team, and use the girl's facility, but the law doesn't guarentee that girl's on his team will be using the only girl's lockerroom during the game. :good!:
 
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goldvol said:
There is nothing in the law that allows the staff to make any kind of judgement call as to the persons claimed sexuality.



Well, then like bama a couple pages ago, you are misinformed. What would you consider mischied? because if my daughter was in california, I would not want males to be showering with her. Is that mischief, or do you feel that is her problem and she should deal with it?
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Show me how misinformed we all are with a credible source then.

Mischief being a straight boy being in the girls locker room.

If it were my own daughter then it would just depend. Is she fine with it and think the boy is certainly gay and no threat? Does she think it is a boy lying about his sexuality to just look at naked girls? Depends.
 
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goldvol said:
Right, the guy can be on the girl's team, and use the girl's facility, but the law doesn't guarentee that girl's on his team will be using the only girl's lockerroom during the game. :good!:
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Does the law say that the transgendered kid has to be allowed into the same room at the same time as the girls?
 
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omghulkhands said:
Show me how misinformed we all are with a credible source then.

Mischief being a straight boy being in the girls locker room.

If it were my own daughter then it would just depend. Is she fine with it and think the boy is certainly gay and no threat? Does she think it is a boy lying about his sexuality to just look at naked girls? Depends.
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I cited my source a couple pages back... and then Bama said basically, hmmm, I was right that it is legislation that is signed into law and not just some judge acting on his own
 
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goldvol said:
I cited my source a couple pages back... and then Bama said basically, hmmm, I was right that it is legislation that is signed into law and not just some judge acting on his own
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Fine. In order to stop the pissing match, I'll concede to whatever you want me to concede to.

That said, back to hulkhands' question:

Where do you want the gay kid to shower?
 
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bamawriter said:
Fine. In order to stop the pissing match, I'll concede to whatever you want me to concede to.

That said, back to hulkhands' question:

Where do you want the gay kid to shower?
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Ok, let's say you live in California. You have twin, 14 year old boy and girl. An 18 boy who is gay will be showering with one of them, because hey, you were in the shower first, then he decides to get in too. Who would you prefer he shower with after the game?
 
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goldvol said:
Ok, let's say you live in California. You have twin, 14 year old boy and girl. An 18 boy who is gay will be showering with one of them, because hey, you were in the shower first, then he decides to get in too. Who would you prefer he shower with after the game?
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With my son. For multiple reasons:

1. I want my daughter to have some choice as to when she see's a naked man, if at all possible.

2. My son will have had 14 years of seeing his own garbage, and if he's showering in a communal facility, he'd be seeing other naked men whether they are gay or straight no matter what.

3. I'm not of the belief that a gay man can't control himself around other men. But if he were to do something inappropriate, I hope that I will have taught my son how to handle it correctly.

All of this can be reversed to apply my daughter if you had asked about a gay woman.

How about you answer the question you've been asked twice?
 
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goldvol said:
Ok, let's say you live in California. You have twin, 14 year old boy and girl. An 18 boy who is gay will be showering with one of them, because hey, you were in the shower first, then he decides to get in too. Who would you prefer he shower with after the game?
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Great point!

Neither. Going home to shower.

My responsibility as a father is to protect my children and instill the values I deem appropriate not to desensitize them to situations that could inflict damage upon their psyches for political correctness's sake.
 
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snake_anthony said:
Great point!

Neither. Going home to shower.

My responsibility as a father is to protect my children and instill the values I deem appropriate not to desensitize them to situations that could inflict damage upon their psyches for political correctness's sake.
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Shouldn't you let your children develop their own sense of values?
 
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