Michigan City Bans LGBTQ Pride Flag

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Brave Volunteer said:
Well, that's not what I asked. I asked what rights are they being deprived of in 2023. But since we are on the subject, why does it matter whether gay marriage is governmentally sanctioned or not? If two gay people love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together, why do they care whether it has the government's stamp of approval on it or not?
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This is a very weak arguement.

Why not just disband marriage altogether then?
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
That may have been what it started out to be, but not now. It's turned into a nasty political machine that's trying to manufacture acceptance by force. It's not going to work and you're already seeing a backlash.
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You sound like a white southern male in 1968 raging about negroes just looking for special privileges after you already gave them their civil rights.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It wasn't until 2016 when gay couples were allowed to adopt in all states.

The problem still is that some people's attitude is being gay is fine as long as you don't tell me and I don't have to see it.
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this is a pretty bad argument, those same people don't want to see hetero couples acting in a similar manner to the largely false stereotype.

They don't want to go to hetero parades where men and women make out, wear false/exaggerated, but genderly correct, sexual organs, or where the revealing clothes. They aren't arguing that kids should be going straight burlesque shows, or that some rando hetero should be reading books about the acceptance of that individuals differences to a group of kids.

in a lot of cases its not a double standard. its a single standard, but there is really only one side really pushing that particular border. You have a bunch of girls from the Playboy Mansion trying to read to kids and the Karens and the Kens will be out in force too.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You got a black friend, as well? Perhaps you can tell us about how he loves Trump and he thinks all police officers are good people. Then we can run off and extrapolate your friends opinions on to the rest of their respective demographic.
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While I admit what I said was anecdotal, I take offense to your seeming insinuation that I'm making it up! I am many things but I am not a liar!
 
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LouderVol said:
this is a pretty bad argument, those same people don't want to see hetero couples acting in a similar manner to the largely false stereotype.

They don't want to go to hetero parades where men and women make out, wear false/exaggerated, but genderly correct, sexual organs, or where the revealing clothes. They aren't arguing that kids should be going straight burlesque shows, or that some rando hetero should be reading books about the acceptance of that individuals differences to a group of kids.

in a lot of cases its not a double standard. its a single standard, but there is really only one side really pushing that particular border. You have a bunch of girls from the Playboy Mansion trying to read to kids and the Karens and the Kens will be out in force too.
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I am talking about holding hands, small instances of PDA that heterosexuals take for granted. It is a double standard.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Yes AND those privileges were instated to promote the traditional family unit and the procreation of future generations to help ensure the future of the nation. It was a symbiotic understanding that governmentSomething that a same sex couple cannot do.
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Not all of the privileges of which I speak were implemented for your "traditional values" family unit.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
While I admit what I said was anecdotal, I take offense to your seeming insinuation that I'm making it up! I am many things but I am not a liar!
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I wasn't insinuating that you were a liar, I was poking fun at the notion that one person's opinion can be extrapolated to an entire demographic as representative or even prevalent.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Because that stamp of approval comes with a boatload of privileges. And because why should it be any different for them?
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really curious about this. what privileges?

I am thinking when you say "privilege" you mean the government considers a married couple differently than a single person.

they could easily form their on C-Corp or LLC and get even more "privileges". Actually seems like that would cure a lot of the issues.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
This is a very weak arguement.

Why not just disband marriage altogether then?
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I was actually just forming this thought in my previous post.

Remove it form everyone. Make it a business situation. "M(arriage)-Corp", "LLM" things like that.
 
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LouderVol said:
really curious about this. what privileges?

I am thinking when you say "privilege" you mean the government considers a married couple differently than a single person.

they could easily form their on C-Corp or LLC and get even more "privileges". Actually seems like that would cure a lot of the issues.
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Most could be cured with lots of contracts, estate planning, but why do guys continue to want to argue separate but equal types of arguments. Acceptance, being treated as equals and public acknowledgement in the form of a marriage license are important.
 
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If the gubmint gets out of the marriage business altogether that's fine, I'm good with that. Less government is great. Good luck with that ever happening though.

If government still continues to be in the business and offer privileges and benefits to married couples, then they can't exclude the gays. Pretty simple.
 
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LouderVol said:
I was actually just forming this thought in my previous post.

Remove it form everyone. Make it a business situation. "M(arriage)-Corp", "LLM" things like that.
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Great, you have a crap ton of laws in every jurisdiction everywhere to repeal. Why do you care to the point of essentially taking your ball and going home if gays are allowed to marry in the same way heterosexuals are?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I am talking about holding hands, small instances of PDA that heterosexuals take for granted. It is a double standard.
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yeah, and the only people that I have ever been around that cared about that stuff would also care about hetero people doing it.

My mom would probably slap me if she saw me get to second base.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah, and the only people that I have ever been around that cared about that stuff would also care about hetero people doing it.

My mom would probably slap me if she saw me get to second base.
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There you go exaggerating what I said again.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Most could be cured with lots of contracts, estate planning, but why do guys continue to want to argue separate but equal types of arguments. Acceptance, being treated as equals and public acknowledgement in the form of a marriage license are important.
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you just made a really bad, and false assumption about me. I was merely pointing out the flaws in your/the argument, not arguing the correctness of your stance.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I respect the opinions of those who don't support lgbtq+ pandering but don't conflate pedophilia with being gay or trans. The ones that claim a rainbow flag = pedophile don't deserve respect.
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I wouldn't let that one issue define my respect for a human being but I do agree with you, rainbow flag does not = pedophile. Not at all.
 
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LouderVol said:
really curious about this. what privileges?

I am thinking when you say "privilege" you mean the government considers a married couple differently than a single person.

they could easily form their on C-Corp or LLC and get even more "privileges". Actually seems like that would cure a lot of the issues.
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Estate/inheritance, medical decision-making, taxes, social security (however long it's around) are probably the major privileges/benefits.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah, and the only people that I have ever been around that cared about that stuff would also care about hetero people doing it.

My mom would probably slap me if she saw me get to second base.
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That may be true for you and those you know but it's certainly not true for many. I'm not big on PDAs but I'm also not a prude and it's not going to bother me to the degree that folks are getting worked up over about seeing anything non-hetero. Starts with seeing the gays kiss on TV, then you see some gays kiss out in public.. the next thing you know, they're posting on the internet that they're shoving it down their throats.

No homo.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
There you go exaggerating what I said again.
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you just said small PDAs. and no its not an exaggeration that my mom would slap me for getting some over-the-shirt boob action. She would be especially mortified if I did it in public.

I have heard plenty of blue hairs complaining about teens making out in a park, or in their car. Or how that girl shouldn't be wearing those clothes, or boys need to pull up their pants, or some other form of "put some clothes on". or some older couple getting PG/PG13 playful with each other.

and as someone who has been yelled at on multiple occasions by members of the public for holding hands with a woman I was in a relationship with, I guess I am not seeing too much of a difference, and you must have lived a much more sheltered hetero life than I did if you have never seen any hetero actions called out. not saying my experience is as wide spread as theirs, but again its not THAT different of a standard.

its like women wanting to be treated like men, run your mouth to guy and you are going to get punched in the face, compete against them in sports. equality sucks, and the grass isn't always greener/as green as you thought.
 
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