Michigan City Bans LGBTQ Pride Flag

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LouderVol said:
you just said small PDAs. and no its not an exaggeration that my mom would slap me for getting some over-the-shirt boob action. She would be especially mortified if I did it in public.

I have heard plenty of blue hairs complaining about teens making out in a park, or in their car. Or how that girl shouldn't be wearing those clothes, or boys need to pull up their pants, or some other form of "put some clothes on". or some older couple getting PG/PG13 playful with each other.

and as someone who has been yelled at on multiple occasions by members of the public for holding hands with a woman I was in a relationship with, I guess I am not seeing too much of a difference, and you must have lived a much more sheltered hetero life than I did if you have never seen any hetero actions called out. not saying my experience is as wide spread as theirs, but again its not THAT different of a standard.

its like women wanting to be treated like men, run your mouth to guy and you are going to get punched in the face, compete against them in sports. equality sucks, and the grass isn't always greener/as green as you thought.
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All I've found is that all this "equality" bullshat ends up as just an excuse to eliminate kindness and sense.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It isn't to celebrate them being different. It is celebrating their ability to be open with their relationships like heterosexuals have always been able to do.
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They can celebrate it all they want. Just don't ask the rest of us to celebrate with them. This is being done at schools and sporting events, to name a couple examples
 
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MercyPercy said:
Would you have respect for someone who makes baseless claims about your brother or sister being a pedophile?
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That's a hypothetical. Is there a quote that you'd like me to look at and respond? I do best with direct examples rather than hypotheticals
 
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LouderVol said:
you just said small PDAs. and no its not an exaggeration that my mom would slap me for getting some over-the-shirt boob action. She would be especially mortified if I did it in public.

I have heard plenty of blue hairs complaining about teens making out in a park, or in their car. Or how that girl shouldn't be wearing those clothes, or boys need to pull up their pants, or some other form of "put some clothes on". or some older couple getting PG/PG13 playful with each other.

and as someone who has been yelled at on multiple occasions by members of the public for holding hands with a woman I was in a relationship with, I guess I am not seeing too much of a difference, and you must have lived a much more sheltered hetero life than I did if you have never seen any hetero actions called out. not saying my experience is as wide spread as theirs, but again its not THAT different of a standard.

its like women wanting to be treated like men, run your mouth to guy and you are going to get punched in the face, compete against them in sports. equality sucks, and the grass isn't always greener/as green as you thought.
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you grew up in a quaker village?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Great, you have a crap ton of laws in every jurisdiction everywhere to repeal. Why do you care to the point of essentially taking your ball and going home if gays are allowed to marry in the same way heterosexuals are?
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? more extremely bad and false assumptions on your part.

I was one of the people marching down Peachtree Street with "the gays" when Georgia was putting parental rights to a vote in like 2017 or 2018.

I just point out the extremely bad arguments you are making, like this one that thinks I am against gay people getting married.

you are clearly too emotional about the subject to maintain any sort of objectivity and are lashing out any perceived slight.
 
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Sea Ray said:
That's a hypothetical. Is there a quote that you'd like me to look at and respond? I do best with direct examples rather than hypotheticals
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There are ample examples in this forum and in this very thread of folks who indicate they believe being gay/trans is the slippery slope in which pedophilia will be normalized. Those are the nicer ones. Some just outright say lgtbqt+ folks are all groomers (pedophiles). You don't even have to get past the first page of this thread.

The hypothetical situation is used so you could see how I could easily have no respect for them, since you questioned that specific comment.
 
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gcbvol said:
Estate/inheritance, medical decision-making, taxes, social security (however long it's around) are probably the major privileges/benefits.
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wills take care of most of that. not sure what the tax benefit of being married is except to file jointly/separately and that you get to combine the two individuals benefits if filing jointly. but considering married couples aren't required to file jointly, and many choose to file separately because of various particulars I don't see that as a privilege.

SS is definitely different, but considering I don't think it should exist at all I am admittedly a bit biased here.

the only "privilege" is that the government makes certain assumptions based on your marital status. and those assumptions can be wrong, trumped, or worked around. maybe its a semantics thing but I don't see that as privilege. none of that is a specific benefit unavailable to others.
 
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LouderVol said:
wills take care of most of that. not sure what the tax benefit of being married is except to file jointly/separately and that you get to combine the two individuals benefits if filing jointly. but considering married couples aren't required to file jointly, and many choose to file separately because of various particulars I don't see that as a privilege.

SS is definitely different, but considering I don't think it should exist at all I am admittedly a bit biased here.

the only "privilege" is that the government makes certain assumptions based on your marital status. and those assumptions can be wrong, trumped, or worked around. maybe its a semantics thing but I don't see that as privilege. none of that is a specific benefit unavailable to others.
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The filing status is absolutely a "privilege." One group has a choice and the other does not.
 
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MercyPercy said:
That may be true for you and those you know but it's certainly not true for many. I'm not big on PDAs but I'm also not a prude and it's not going to bother me to the degree that folks are getting worked up over about seeing anything non-hetero. Starts with seeing the gays kiss on TV, then you see some gays kiss out in public.. the next thing you know, they're posting on the internet that they're shoving it down their throats.

No homo.
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and again, I still hold that MOST of the people making that argument don't care about the particular couple in question. its not the who is being shoved down their throats, but the what of it.

you see it in this forum, people bring it up quiet often about how everything is sexualized now. there are plenty of complaints about this stuff, but because no one is impacted, no one cares.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
How so?
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i helped plan, set up, and celebrate a gay wedding reception when the couple flew back to Georgia after getting married in Vermont because Georgia wasn't issuing marriage licenses to gay couples.

I don't care who gets married beyond the 18+/age of consent thing. And no parental approval when below that line doesn't count, arranged marriages are wrong.

been to multiple drag shows.

I certainly haven't posted anything about gays or anyone else being forced into a closet, or the government should be doing more to keep them out of my face.

you just made an assumption about my personal beliefs based on me showing the holes in your argument.
 
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LouderVol said:
wills take care of most of that. not sure what the tax benefit of being married is except to file jointly/separately and that you get to combine the two individuals benefits if filing jointly. but considering married couples aren't required to file jointly, and many choose to file separately because of various particulars I don't see that as a privilege.

SS is definitely different, but considering I don't think it should exist at all I am admittedly a bit biased here.

the only "privilege" is that the government makes certain assumptions based on your marital status. and those assumptions can be wrong, trumped, or worked around. maybe its a semantics thing but I don't see that as privilege. none of that is a specific benefit unavailable to others.
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One would believe proper wills and legal documents would suffice, but they do not cover everything. For example, I personally know two different people who were denied access to their partners in the hospital even though they had some sort of legal documents prior to our ability to marry. This was just a few years ago. There's a lot folks take for granted.

All that said, the term "marriage" means little to me. If the government moved to civil unions for the basis of benefits, I'm cool with it. The problem we have is the government already has so much twisted into and around marriage that it's no simple task to "get out".
 
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LouderVol said:
and again, I still hold that MOST of the people making that argument don't care about the particular couple in question. its not the who is being shoved down their throats, but the what of it.

you see it in this forum, people bring it up quiet often about how everything is sexualized now. there are plenty of complaints about this stuff, but because no one is impacted, no one cares.
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I think you're being naive if you don't think there's any double standard whatsoever, even if it may not be as large as it seems being pushed by the left. There are definitely people that disagree with what they see as oversexualization at any level whatsoever, I'm not saying they don't exist. I think a lot of this is also from folks being so used to hetero stuff on TV and in public that they only notice it with greater attentiveness now because it's gay and it's not what they are used to seeing, and it's being "shoved down their throats" despite seeing it on the regular with hetero behavior but being so conditioned as to not make a twenty ton stink about it like what is happening now.
 
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volfanhill said:
The filing status is absolutely a "privilege." One group has a choice and the other does not.
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the privilege of submitting one form over two forms?......my God man, the horror.

I am surprised unmarried people haven't had another revolution over this.

that privilege only comes AFTER you get a government approved marriage LICENSE. a license that they can deny for any number of "unchecked" boxes. a privilege unmarried people the country over are denied.

I mean yeah sure "its wrong", but my God what a First World Problem we have stretched to point out as an issue.
 
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LouderVol said:
the privilege of submitting one form over two forms?......my God man, the horror.

I am surprised unmarried people haven't had another revolution over this.

that privilege only comes AFTER you get a government approved marriage LICENSE. a license that they can deny for any number of "unchecked" boxes. a privilege unmarried people the country over are denied.

I mean yeah sure "its wrong", but my God what a First World Problem we have stretched to point out as an issue.
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Why do people file jointly? Are there benefits to doing so for those people?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
And here we go with hellfire and damnation.

You need therapy, and medication.
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I would say this might be a rare occurrence to bring back lobotomies but I'm not sure he'd have enough left in there to remember how to breath if they remove anything else.
 
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MercyPercy said:
There are ample examples in this forum and in this very thread of folks who indicate they believe being gay/trans is the slippery slope in which pedophilia will be normalized. Those are the nicer ones. Some just outright say lgtbqt+ folks are all groomers (pedophiles). You don't even have to get past the first page of this thread.

The hypothetical situation is used so you could see how I could easily have no respect for them, since you questioned that specific comment.
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If you identify a quote I'll be happy to respond. In general I don't base my respect on what people type on forums like this. There are a few exceptions. Kiddiedoc is one that I greatly respect based on what he types
 
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TNVOLNAVY said:
I wish every Groomer would fly a rainbow flag in their yard or business. It would be like those sex offender maps so a person can identify places to avoid.
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Sea Ray said:
If you identify a quote I'll be happy to respond. In general I don't base my respect on what people type on forums like this. There are a few exceptions. Kiddiedoc is one that I greatly respect based on what he types
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Literally the 4th post in this thread, part of a reply that you actually responded to, equating showing support for the lgbtq community = groomer.

This is the last time I'm going to do your homework for you.
 
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gcbvol said:
One would believe proper wills and legal documents would suffice, but they do not cover everything. For example, I personally know two different people who were denied access to their partners in the hospital even though they had some sort of legal documents prior to our ability to marry. This was just a few years ago. There's a lot folks take for granted.

All that said, the term "marriage" means little to me. If the government moved to civil unions for the basis of benefits, I'm cool with it. The problem we have is the government already has so much twisted into and around marriage that it's no simple task to "get out".
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Why does someone having a medical power of attorney make a difference to a hospital whether it is from a partner or a child? One way or the other, it's a legal document.
 
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gcbvol said:
One would believe proper wills and legal documents would suffice, but they do not cover everything. For example, I personally know two different people who were denied access to their partners in the hospital even though they had some sort of legal documents prior to our ability to marry. This was just a few years ago. There's a lot folks take for granted.

All that said, the term "marriage" means little to me. If the government moved to civil unions for the basis of benefits, I'm cool with it. The problem we have is the government already has so much twisted into and around marriage that it's no simple task to "get out".
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I know of at least one case where a hetero spouse was denied access, and wasn't allowed to make medical decisions.

this has been my whole point. these issues exist outside the realm of sexuality. yeah they are "wrong" but its not a specific enough of a wrong to say its a targeted issue. If I try to operate, or do something, outside of the accepted practice of the government I will be denied whatever I am seeking.

I also remember pretty much everyone be denied access from 2020 to 2021/2022. I don't remember too many liberals marching to end that injustice for everyone.

there is a WHOLE lot of libertarianism hiding in the closet in this thread if you will forgive me hijacking the phrase. there is a reason when people ask me: "Should the government?", I just say "NO". the issues being brought up in this thread are part of them; but because its a partisan issue neither side is interested in having a real conversation. see EL lumping me in with the maga crowd despite me not espousing any of their ideas.
 
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VolStrom said:
Why does someone having a medical power of attorney make a difference to a hospital whether it is from a partner or a child? One way or the other, it's a legal document.
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Exactly, but they were ignored. I believe the primary reason was the I'll person's family did not approve of their relationship and were able to keep them out. Maybe the hospital didn't want to get in the middle, but I know the POA was ignored.
 
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