Minneapolis wants to disband police

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KB5252 said:
I agree for the most part but the government takes your money for schools and then denies you a choice in the matter, unless you want to pay twice.
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Now I haven't been in the public school system since 2006, but I can tell you that Nashville Metro schools did an exposé on the major world religions at least once when I was in elementary, middle, and high school. That seems like a reasonable way to educate while maintaining a separation of church and state.

I personally haven't heard of public schools offering courses in any specific religions.

So if you're in favor of your kids learning about religion, I think public schools can offer a viable synopsis of the major ones, as I've already illustrated. If you want something like an actual class dedicated to evangelism and indoctrination, that seems like something that does not belong in public schools for obvious reasons.

Again, I haven't been in school for a while, but my high school offered several extracurriculars and social clubs for specific religions. Also no one ever stopped anyone else from reading their religious literature in school.

In sum, I don't understand the religion in school debate. You are either for separation of church and state, or you prefer to send your kids to private school. I don't understand the arguments for anythjng else.
 
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New officers are required to knock on doors in the neighborhoods they patrol and introduce themselves and ask what needs to improve. They do pop up neighborhood cookouts and ice cream trucks. The police chief has said the residents own the streets and they are the first line of defense to keep drug dealers out.

I mean, it is the little and simple things that seem to work best. Almost common sense. It doesn't have to be a tense and combative relationship.
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Is this what Minneapolis is talking about doing? The little I heard was they just wanted to disband with little plan for what to do next.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Other incidents of what? Brutality? Yeah, they have a reputation for it. Philando Castille immediately comes to mind. That was the month before anthem protests started.
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Gotcha. So this wasn’t a one off incident. Thanks.
 
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rjd970 said:
New officers are required to knock on doors in the neighborhoods they patrol and introduce themselves and ask what needs to improve. They do pop up neighborhood cookouts and ice cream trucks. The police chief has said the residents own the streets and they are the first line of defense to keep drug dealers out.

I mean, it is the little and simple things that seem to work best. Almost common sense. It doesn't have to be a tense and combative relationship.
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When I read those in the article, I thought it was a brilliant approach. On the surface, it sounds like "are we really paying the police for surprise cookouts" type of thing. But those gestures have the cumulative effect of creating a teamwork approach between the cops and the citizens they should be serving. It humanizes each other. And, it would anticipate any cop agreeing a cooperative citizen who helps keep the neighborhood safe is much preferred over an uncooperative one.
 
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McDad said:
When I read those in the article, I thought it was a brilliant approach. On the surface, it sounds like "a we really paying the police for surprise cookouts" type of thing. But those gestures have the cumulative effect of creating a teamwork approach between the cops and the citizens they should be serving. It humanizes each other. And, it would anticipate any cop agreeing a cooperative citizen who helps keep the neighborhood safe is much preferred over an uncooperative one.
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I think if I were a Minneapolis Police Officer I would leave and get a job at a Police Department in the South. You would be treated much better as a LEO in the South than in Minnesota.
 
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RavinDave said:
Had to make a choice between wearing a mask for 20 minutes in a barber shop this morning, or getting my wife to butcher.... err, cut my hair again.
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My barbershop didn't make anybody wear a mask last week. Their reasoning was simple... you don't want the risk you are more than welcome to go somewhere else. Helps they are hands down best in Knoxville.
 
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McDad said:
When I read those in the article, I thought it was a brilliant approach. On the surface, it sounds like "are we really paying the police for surprise cookouts" type of thing. But those gestures have the cumulative effect of creating a teamwork approach between the cops and the citizens they should be serving. It humanizes each other. And, it would anticipate any cop agreeing a cooperative citizen who helps keep the neighborhood safe is much preferred over an uncooperative one.
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Yeah, I didn't take a job so I could sing kumbaya and have cookouts with residents of crappy neighborhoods. Maybe some places need that but I don't want that in my neighborhood and I wouldn't want to have to do that for a job. It would probably cut back on applicants to be police officers by about 95% though.
 
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McDad said:
When I read those in the article, I thought it was a brilliant approach. On the surface, it sounds like "are we really paying the police for surprise cookouts" type of thing. But those gestures have the cumulative effect of creating a teamwork approach between the cops and the citizens they should be serving. It humanizes each other. And, it would anticipate any cop agreeing a cooperative citizen who helps keep the neighborhood safe is much preferred over an uncooperative one.
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Like George Zimmerman.















I kid, I kid.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Other incidents of what? Brutality? Yeah, they have a reputation for it. Philando Castille immediately comes to mind. That was the month before anthem protests started.
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Two examples in 4 years.

Man, I'm surprised there are enough survivors left to even have a protest.
 
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rjd970 said:
SIAP

This city disbanded its police department 7 years ago. Here's what happened next - CNN

Disbanding the police and starting over seemed to work well in Camden.
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What that article conveniently leaves out is that the new police department actually ended up with about 100 additional police in total, and about 100 more since then. A far cry from what is being proposed in Minneapolis. A doubled police force... And crime went down by half. Maybe there is a linear relationship there...

Nah, it was the home visits and barbeques.

I'm not an expert in the police budget of Minneapolis. Maybe there is a ton of corruption and wasted spending such as the case in Camden.

I do know it is laughable to suggest moving that money into "social programs" is going to result in less wasted spending. I've got a running tally here that says social programs are about... 0 for 1,237,893 in helping communities long term.

They seem to really help the people that work inside them, though.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, only two issues with the MPD in 4 years.
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How many cases of police brutality are evidence of systemic corruption in the PD? I propose it is more than two in four years.

It's super easy to find problems when you don't ever actually think about whether your solution is going to **** everything up worse than it is now. Like hitting every bug on the wall with a sledgehammer.
 
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luthervol said:
The county will be hiring additional personnel and there will be a few new state patrol jobs in the pipeline.
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So the state patrols and county sheriff's departments don't have issues. This is a scam. We will defund the boys in blue, and just move them over to the other LE departments.
 
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GVF said:
So the state patrols and county sheriff's departments don't have issues. This is a scam. We will defund the boys in blue, and just move them over to the other LE departments.
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Whatever it takes to get the cops out of the big urban cities . Lol smh .
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Ive actually seen city police, county police, and sheriffs here in Georgia. But we are close to Atlanta so the larger presence makes sense.
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GA native, since removed. But, we had Police, county Sheriff, State Patrol, and State Police in my day. Not sure what the State Police was for and how it filled the crack between county sheriff and GSP, but a friend of mine retired from the fire dept and went to the State Police, not GSP. Then of course there was GBI as well.
 
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GVF said:
So the state patrols and county sheriff's departments don't have issues. This is a scam. We will defund the boys in blue, and just move them over to the other LE departments.
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I'm sure they have similar issues.
 
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OK, here's a thing. My nephew has had lifelong addiction problems since he was a teen. Had hand surgery. Given those heavy duty pain relievers. Parents weren't warned of dangers of these opioids. He filled the void with heroin. Been in and out of jail atleast 4 times now. Maybe five. The Griffin, GA police dept is fairly corrupt. Always has been. They target my nephew, by no stretch of the imagination. His last time in Griffin, and his dad told him to stay out, he was stopped driving a friends car. They tried to pin some other erroneous charges on him, that were ultimately defeated to the tune of some very high legal fees. He served out his time in county lockup for the drug possession. everything else was trumped up and proven false. He absolutely cannot pass through Griffin without being targeted and stopped and/or arrested just to see if they can get something on him. He's done time in Cobb County as well and a half way house in Cochran. If it weren't for his being white, he'd be up s*** creek.

He's been clean for a while, and his attitude toward his problem has changed, so maybe he can keep it up. Thing about heroine, you can physically tell if someone is lying about being clean or being junked up.
 
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