Minneapolis wants to disband police

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Volsfaninva917 said:
This is actually correct, the police departments only have jurisdiction inside their cities in which they serve vs. sheriffs departments have state wide jurisdiction. Also the police departments aren't required for a city and they cost tax payers millions of dollars each year vs. sheriffs departments which are funded by the state and receive lots of federal grants ( i/e the police departments are just an added expense and youre already protected by the sheriffs office). Not to mention, state police patrol the highways. A lot of cities are doing away with police departments ( especially smaller ones ), Minneapolis just found a reason to finally jump. Now I'm not saying I agree with it but it's not like there won't be any police.
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Sheriff departments on average have lower standards and less training than city police departments although perhaps not in big cities. Also there is less oversight for sheriffs than city police chiefs which are appointed instead of elected
 
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McDad said:
No doubt the final version will be full of bells and whistles which aren't in the discussion now. But it is intriguing for Minneapolis to use the 911 call data history to lay the blueprint on the future version of police..
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The 911 idea has some merit on the face of it. What are the odds they come up with a great model that gets adopted by other big cities? More likely they turn their police force into a band of simpering social workers and let the bad guys run the streets.
 
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volfanhill said:
Well, to be fair, one is tax payer funded murder and the other is nature. So a wee bit of a difference.
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What are the stats on tax payer funded murder from that city. Do you have any stats show how many cops are killing blacks? Lets not emote, lets put our thinking cap on and try to use facts
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Sheriff departments on average have lower standards and less training than city police departments although perhaps not in big cities. Also there is less oversight for sheriffs than city police chiefs which are appointed instead of elected
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So then who's fault will it be for an elected sheriff?
 
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volfanhill said:
I think anyone with a brain would agree our criminal justice system is broken. Has been for a very long time. I don’t know if this will work. But I know what we are doing currently isn’t working. And I am not even talking about the murder of civilians. Just in general it’s screwed up. But most on here think we should just do that definition of insanity thing.
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Maybe we should allow the black communities to be exempt from laws for one year. If the police are so bad as you claim, the that would help in the healing process.

We'll ignore yhose individuals whove suffered Because its all about the community and not the individual.
 
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RavinDave said:
The 911 idea has some merit on the face of it. What are the odds they come up with a great model that gets adopted by other big cities? More likely they turn their police force into a band of simpering social workers and let the bad guys run the streets.
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I'm inclined to be cynical, too. But there needs to be new philosophies and strategies tested. The policing model we currently have is not infallible.

More appropriate responses to 911 calls, policy changes at the top, and reducing bad apples (or reducing the potential for the bad apples to poison a situation) would be a great start. Let's see if Minneapolis can do some good here. If they can't, I'm glad they are far away from me.
 
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McDad said:
I'm inclined to be cynical, too. But there needs to be new philosophies and strategies tested. The policing model we currently have is not infallible.

More appropriate responses to 911 calls, policy changes at the top, and reducing bad apples (or reducing the potential for the bad apples to poison a situation) would be a great start. Let's see if Minneapolis can do some good here. If they can't, I'm glad they are far away from me.
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Have we thought about asking the black communities to not break the law and kill each other so much?
 
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McDad said:
I'm inclined to be cynical, too. But there needs to be new philosophies and strategies tested. The policing model we currently have is not infallible.

More appropriate responses to 911 calls, policy changes at the top, and reducing bad apples (or reducing the potential for the bad apples to poison a situation) would be a great start. Let's see if Minneapolis can do some good here. If they can't, I'm glad they are far away from me.
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Kudos for a positive message. But a healthy dose of cynicism seems warranted given the situation. I hope they don’t completely screw it up but my gut feeling says otherwise.
 
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RavinDave said:
Kudos for a positive message. But a healthy dose of cynicism seems warranted given the situation. I hope they don’t completely screw it up but my gut feeling says otherwise.
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I think anyone with a conservative or libertarian political persuasion has a default setting of cynicism for government-directed initiatives.
And, we're proven right to think that way more often than not.
But even if Minneapolis fails, lessons will be learned for others. Testing and analysis of the results must happen to evolve our approach to law enforcement.
 
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It's time for the people of Minneapolis to move because Minneapolis with no police will be a criminals paradise.:mad::rolleyes:o_O
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
This is actually correct, the police departments only have jurisdiction inside their cities in which they serve vs. sheriffs departments have state wide jurisdiction. Also the police departments aren't required for a city and they cost tax payers millions of dollars each year vs. sheriffs departments which are funded by the state and receive lots of federal grants ( i/e the police departments are just an added expense and youre already protected by the sheriffs office). Not to mention, state police patrol the highways. A lot of cities are doing away with police departments ( especially smaller ones ), Minneapolis just found a reason to finally jump. Now I'm not saying I agree with it but it's not like there won't be any police.
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Why is this lost on so many of these forums? Not much thought put into some of these reactions.
 
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McDad said:
There is literally no plan to proceed without police. The headline got everybody's panties twisted.
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A city with no police would be close to New York or Los Angeles in the Escape From New York and Escape From LA movies.
 
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Tennesseefan2019 said:
A city with no police would be close to New York or Los Angeles in the Escape From New York and Escape From LA movies.
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There would be a police presence, the county sheriffs department would step in but response time would be incredibly slow.
 
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Corey Booker's thoughts about ending qualified immunity are interesting. Cops having some skin in the game past being 'fired' may separate the wheat from the chaff. Couple that with the requirement of an all ways on body cam and it may sort itself out.
 
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