MTG Calls for Red State Secession

[clarksvol00]

Details would of course have to worked out just like breaking any contract.

You're a businessman. You know damn well that you breaching a contract, doesn't just always involve getting "worked out."

 

[Vol8188]

Because I never addressed the morality of secession. What part of that are you not getting?

So morally the two examples I provided are equal to you?

 

[hog88]

I'll ask again, does the EU governing document provide a mechanism for withdrawal?

I’ve already said I don’t know.

 

[Orangeburst]

I’ve already said I don’t know.

We saw it..Brexit

 

[clarksvol00]

And it doesn’t forbid it either.

Duh. Two sides of the same coin is the point I tried to make to you.

 

[clarksvol00]

I’ve already said I don’t know.

It does.

 

[clarksvol00]

We saw it..Brexit

You're not paying attention. I asked him if the EU had a procedure for withdrawing. It does. USC does not.

 

[Orangeburst]

You're a businessman. You know damn well that you breaching a contract, doesn't just always involve getting "worked out."

How is to BOC if it is in the provision?

 

[clarksvol00]

How is to BOC if it is in the provision?

Wut?

Edit: what provision of the USC are you referring to?

 

[hog88]

You're a businessman. You know damn well that you breaching a contract, doesn't just always involve getting "worked out."

Yeah it does, depending on the terms it might just be a 30 day notification it might involve penalties it might involve returning whatever It damn sure doesn’t involve one party invading the office of the other.

 

[tvolsfan]

So morally the two examples I provided are equal to you?

Morally? Sure? Of course, not taking into account the morality behind the reasons for wanting to secede.

 

[OrangeBoro]

Couldn’t resist. Only President I know that made fun of a disabled person. Such a great human being. His admiration society should be very proud.

Well that’s really all you radical loons have. Meanwhile the country is burning and your boy is leg humping Zelensky while signing over another blank check

 

[hog88]

It does.

Ok?

 

[Weezer]

So you're position is that the constitution is a document that sets out our rules for government, but if you don't like them you can unilaterally choose to leave and take everything you gained from that government? I guess that's okay. I'm kind of looking at this like a contract I might sign with another company. Can I back out unilaterally, or do I have to get consent or show a breach?

What exactly did the states "gain" from the Constitution at the time it was ratified? What exists now is not what was intended, but we have no way of knowing what would be if federal government had not outgrown its purview.

 

[clarksvol00]

Yeah it does, depending on the terms it might just be a 30 day notification it might involve penalties it might involve returning whatever It damn sure doesn’t involve one party invading the office of the other.

Or it might not. What provision of the USC would refer to for liquidated damages or unilateral termination?

 

[Orangeburst]

Wut?

Edit: what provision of the USC are you referring to?

Well they are not following the provision of USC law IMO

 

[Orangeburst]

Our USC is trash.

 

[tvolsfan]

What exactly did the states "gain" from the Constitution at the time it was ratified? What exists now is not what was intended, but we have no way of knowing what would be if federal government had not outgrown its purview.

Highly likely it would have collapsed a long time ago.

 

[tvolsfan]

Our USC is trash.

Rattler lit up our defense, though.

 

[clarksvol00]

Well they are not following the provision of USC law IMO

I'm glad your opinion is not the arbiter of the American experiment.

 

[hog88]

Or it might not. What provision of the USC would refer to for liquidated damages or unilateral termination?

I don’t know. Let me ask you this, why would the federal government be dead set on keeping people that no longer want to be citizens?

 

[Vol8188]

Morally? Sure?

And you were simply stating that they’re not exactly the same?

Rather than that you find one more acceptable than the other?

I’ll be honest, I truly don’t believe that. Because if it’s true, there’s not point in initially pointing out they’re different unless you believe those differences impact if one is more/less acceptable than the other

 

[Orangeburst]

Morally? Sure? Of course, not taking into account the morality behind the reasons for wanting to secede.

Now it gets into subjective "morality"

 

[clarksvol00]

Ok?

Correct, in the treaty (our constitution) that formed the United States the states gave the federal government certain powers and authority just like the states that joined EU did.

 

[Weezer]

And it provides no mechanism for the states to secede.

This is the mechanism.

It is a power not delegated to the United States (federal government), nor is it prohibited in the Constitution; therefore, it is a right reserved to the States.