MTG Calls for Red State Secession

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lawgator1 said:
That is utterly laughable. I wasn't even aware she had a political identity, much less what it is/was. I just remember her as the snooty girlfriend of Ned Schneebly.
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If you donā€™t know her political leanings, that actually reflects pretty poorly on you and your lack of knowledge of current cultural/political trends IMO. They are pretty obvious to anyone who pays attention
 
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Vol8188 said:
As is our alliance between states. So you've still not addressed why you consider this different.
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Because the premise is silly. You're equating a federal republic with an economic bloc. The EU has no constitution, no army, and nobody considers it a country. There are people who want it to be more like a country (ie, French and German leadership), but they are nowhere near that.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Because the premise is silly. You're equating a federal republic with an economic bloc. The EU has no constitution, no army, and nobody considers it a country. There are people who want it to be more like a country (ie, French and German leadership), but they are nowhere near that.
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So the entire difference is just semantics? Their ā€œcountriesā€ are the size of our states
 
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Vol8188 said:
So the entire difference is just semantics? Their ā€œcountriesā€ are the size of our states
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If "semantics" are basically everything that makes up being a country, sure. Your "argument" for the EU being "like a country" seems to be that it is an alliance, so that's pretty much the same.
 
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tvolsfan said:
If "semantics" are basically everything that makes up being a country, sure. Your argument for the EU being a country seems to effectively be that it is an alliance, and that's pretty much the same.
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My argument isnā€™t that the EU is a country. My argument is that itā€™s no different to leave the EU than to leave the US. Both are collectives of multiple independent governments aligned by mutual agreement.

If any one of them no longer agrees to be a part of that collective, they have a right to leave.

I donā€™t know why you agree with me in one instance but disagree on the other, other than semantics and time
 
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Vol8188 said:
My argument isnā€™t that the EU is a country. My argument is that itā€™s no different to leave the EU than to leave the US. Both are collectives of multiple independent governments aligned by mutual agreement.

If any one of them no longer agrees to be a part of that collective, they have a right to leave.

I donā€™t know why you agree with me in one instance but disagree on the other, other than semantics and time
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It's more like the US leaving NAFTA/USMCA, but if all you are looking for is the word "leaving," then sure.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It was already rejected, but sure, it would "technically" be closer to being a country.
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Why do you consider that definition magical? Do you not believe regions within countries should be allowed to form their own governments if they wish?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why do you consider that definition magical? Do you not believe regions within countries should be allowed to form their own governments if they wish?
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In theory, sure. In practice, I don't general political grievance merits re-drawing borders.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It seems youā€™re failing pretty hard here. Youā€™ve provided zero reason why this is so different or unacceptable
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If you think the US leaving the USMCA is the equivalent of states seceding, I certainly don't think there is any reason to continue.
 
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#195
Stop with Federalization of the states on ANY domestic matter..problems dissolve.

But alas RvW..the travesty.
 
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tvolsfan said:
In theory, sure. In practice, I don't general political grievance merits re-drawing borders.
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At least we agree on the first sentence.

As far as political differences, if both sides had a live and let live sort of attitude youā€™d be correct. But both sides to an extent want to use government to force their views upon the other. That makes it more than just a political grievance.
 
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Vol8188 said:
At least we agree on the first sentence.

As far as political differences, if both sides had a live and let live sort of attitude youā€™d be correct. But both sides to an extent want to use government to force their views upon the other. That makes it more than just a political grievance.
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That describes most political disputes.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The states are pretty clearly not independent.
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But they were meant to have autonomy. Hence the 10th Amendment. Over the course of our history, the federal government has been allowed to outgrow its original mandate and seize more power than it was ever intended to have. And the sheep simply follow along.
 
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