MTG: How to stop mass shootings

[Rickyvol77]

I doubt you know nearly as much about the political beliefs of people on this forum as you think you do….

He always characterizes any disagreement as some “liberal” who “watches Colbert or CNN or the view” and voted for Biden. Lol it’s sad and shallow way of thinking for sure

 

[DonjoVol]

Businesses can do what they want within legal standards (I.e. fraud, etc). I’m not for vaccine mandates but realize that businesses have the right to ask for them if they choose. You always throw anyone who disagrees with you on any topic in some nebulous group that you don’t like

Lol. You're one to talk about "throwing anyone who disagrees in some nebulous group you don't like". Multiple examples of you doing that very same thing you just accused me of.

Now back to the point I brought up. Vaccine mandates and believing that private business can do anything they want are not values of the Libertarian Party. Now if you want to prove that they are based on the actual Libertarian Party platform please feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[DonjoVol]

He always characterizes any disagreement as some “liberal” who “watches Colbert or CNN or the view” and voted for Biden. Lol it’s sad and shallow way of thinking for sure

Just like when you accuse people of being Alex Jones and Q followers when they are not.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Just like when you accuse people of being Alex Jones and Q followers when they are not.

Lmao I have the receipts on the conspiracy posts made in those threads. They speak for themselves

 

[Rickyvol77]

Lol. You're one to talk about "throwing anyone who disagrees in some nebulous group you don't like". Multiple examples of you doing that very same thing you just accused me of.

Now back to the point I brought up. Vaccine mandates and believing that private business can do anything they want are not values of the Libertarian Party. Now if you want to prove that they are based on the actual Libertarian Party platform please feel free to prove me wrong.

Libertarians believe businesses should be free to make their own decisions

 

[sonofUT62]

People have openly stated their beliefs on this forum numerous times.

For example people have said private businesses can do what they want and are for vaccine mandates. Those are not libertarian principles.

I don’t consider those who believe that a private business has the right to police what goes on behind it’s walls,to be bad or fake libertarians. I don’t agree with them but vive la difference. I’ve been called a fake LP member for arguing against legalizing meth/ heroin/ commercial fentanyl. I’m not losing sleep.

 

[volfanhill]

I don’t consider those who believe that a private business has the right to police what goes on behind it’s walls,to be bad or fake libertarians. I don’t agree with them but vive la difference. I’ve been called a fake LP member for arguing against legalizing meth/ heroin/ commercial fentanyl. I’m not losing sleep.

That's why the libertarian party doesn't grow. They can't agree on anything.

 

[sonofUT62]

That's why the libertarian party doesn't grow. They can't agree on anything.

I would like to see the party grow because people don’t agree. I don’t want it to abandon the core principles but I don’t expect everyone to agree on everything. But I agree it does sometimes suffer because we eat each other alive.

 

[DonjoVol]

Libertarians believe businesses should be free to make their own decisions

They don't believe businesses should force employees to make medical decisions that they disagree with either. Vaccine mandates are anti Libertarian. Plain and simple.

 

[DonjoVol]

I would like to see the party grow because people don’t agree. I don’t want it to abandon the core principles but I don’t expect everyone to agree on everything. But I agree it does sometimes suffer because we eat each other alive.

It's not going to grow because many people will vote for an LP candidate only when they are disgruntled. They never research the actual principles of the party. Which I agree with probably 80 to 90 percent of the platform.

 

[Rickyvol77]

They don't believe businesses should force employees to make medical decisions that they disagree with either. Vaccine mandates are anti Libertarian. Plain and simple.

You might want to check out their website and see what they say about free market and voluntary contracts between private entities. They believe businesses can do what they want, and you can choose to work there under their rules or not

 

[sonofUT62]

It's not going to grow because many people will vote for an LP candidate only when they are disgruntled. They never research the actual principles of the party. Which I agree with probably 80 to 90 percent of the platform.

Wonder if that would change if they were allowed to debate? Can you imagine what a Libertarian college professor would have done to Biden / Trump? Also one of those two probably got about 25% of the votes because people were angry at the other one. It’s just human nature.

 

[DonjoVol]

You might want to check out their website and see what they say about free market and voluntary contracts between private entities. They believe businesses can do what they want, and you can choose to work there under their rules or not

I suggest you read the first paragraph of the preamble and sections 1.0 and 1.1 on Personal Liberty and Self Ownership. Those principles stand as the foundation of the party and why Libertarian Party candidates are speaking out against businesses who impose totalitarian covid measures and vaccine mandates. Plus with data currently being provided these vaccines may not be as effective as they claimed.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I suggest you read the first paragraph of the preamble and sections 1.0 and 1.1 on Personal Liberty and Self Ownership. Those principles stand as the foundation of the party and why Libertarian Party candidates are speaking out against businesses who impose totalitarian covid measures and vaccine mandates. Plus with data currently being provided these vaccines may not be as effective as they claimed.

weird you missed this quote from their page:

"people are allowed to run their businesses the way they see fit,"

also their preamble only mentions government interference...not your bosses at Krystal's

 

[DonjoVol]

Wonder if that would change if they were allowed to debate? Can you imagine what a Libertarian college professor would have done to Biden / Trump? Also one of those two probably got about 25% of the votes because people were angry at the other one. It’s just human nature.

I would be okay with the LP Party candidate debating as long as the Green Party and other candidates are allowed to debate.

There was actually debates with third party candidates for the 2020 election. They were handled and conducted very professionally.

 

[DonjoVol]

weird you missed this quote from their page:

"people are allowed to run their businesses the way they see fit,"

also their preamble only mentions government interference...not your bosses at Krystal's

It does not only mention government interference lol. Please show us where in the preamble and the sections I mentioned that it says that. It also says other individuals and groups.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Covid19 Policy and the Libertarian Party

interesting paragraph here:

"But individual self-ownership is not the only property right which can impact a community response. The right of citizens to set standards of behavior on real estate owned (or rented) by those citizens is also a factor. A property owner may deny access to their property to those who do not adhere to the owner’s terms of access (e.g. “no shirt, no shoes, no service”). This property right also applies to organizations. An organization may set rules for organizational membership or for access to property owned by the organization. Thus businesses, churches, or private clubs can deny access to those who are not (or are) vaccinated or who do not (or do) wear masks. The right of a citizen to access such facilities is conditional. No citizen is required to patronize a private organization. The citizen has the freedom to refuse to interact with the organization. This contrasts the power to mandate the behavior of all citizens claimed by government agencies via law. Voluntary relations can be used to promote a community standard. An attempt to use these methods does not guarantee a result. But neither does an attempt to coerce an unwilling citizenry via unenforceable government mandates."

 

[sonofUT62]

I would be okay with the LP Party candidate debating as long as the Green Party and other candidates are allowed to debate.

There was actually debates with third party candidates for the 2020 election. They were handled and conducted very professionally.

I want them to participate in the same debate as the two majors. It provides a sharper contrast.

 

[DonjoVol]

Covid19 Policy and the Libertarian Party

interesting paragraph here:

"But individual self-ownership is not the only property right which can impact a community response. The right of citizens to set standards of behavior on real estate owned (or rented) by those citizens is also a factor. A property owner may deny access to their property to those who do not adhere to the owner’s terms of access (e.g. “no shirt, no shoes, no service”). This property right also applies to organizations. An organization may set rules for organizational membership or for access to property owned by the organization. Thus businesses, churches, or private clubs can deny access to those who are not (or are) vaccinated or who do not (or do) wear masks. The right of a citizen to access such facilities is conditional. No citizen is required to patronize a private organization. The citizen has the freedom to refuse to interact with the organization. This contrasts the power to mandate the behavior of all citizens claimed by government agencies via law. Voluntary relations can be used to promote a community standard. An attempt to use these methods does not guarantee a result. But neither does an attempt to coerce an unwilling citizenry via unenforceable government mandates."

That's the LP Party of NC. They do not represent the national LP Party.

I never heard Jo Jorgensen, Spike Cohen or other libertarians state these particular views.

So if a business decided to segregate based on race you would be okay with that as well?

 

[Rickyvol77]

That's the LP Party of NC. They do not represent the national LP Party.

I never heard Jo Jorgensen, Spike Cohen or other libertarians state these particular views.

So if a business decided to segregate based on race you would be okay with that as well?

The 14th amendment covers that genius. Not the same situation as telling an employee they have to be vaccinated or can’t wear perfume or can’t smoke or can’t have tattoos etc

 

[DonjoVol]

The 14th amendment covers that genius. Not the same situation as telling an employee they have to be vaccinated or can’t wear perfume or can’t smoke or can’t have tattoos etc

It is the same situation. Telling people they can't work for you or they can't enter a business because they are not vaccinated is a form of segregation.

Plus I would like you to share with the forum what the first paragraph of the preamble of the national LP Party states along with sections 1.0 and 1.1.

What you and others are advocating and this semi worship some of you have of businesses and corporations has absolutely nothing to do with Libertarianism.

 

[zeppelin128]

Congratulations on having the same opinions as MTG. Lol.

Imagine being proud of that. lol

 

[zeppelin128]

The gun debate is over. Let’s fix the fatherless, faithless culture drugging our boys.

It took a tragedy on America’s birthday, and the death of seven people, to demonstrate once and for all that gun control doesn’t work. Shooter Bobby Crimo bought the murder weapon himself, legally, in Illinois, a state with some of the strongest gun control laws in the country. Red flag laws didn’t stop him. There’s no reason to think they would work anywhere else.

What’s more, the city of Highland Park passed a total ban on assault rifles in 2013. Around the time, Mayor Nancy Rotering bragged: “Banning assault weapons … is one common-sense action to reduce gun violence and protect our children and our communities from potential mass violence and grief.”

As I watched those rambling, cryptic, sometimes threatening videos on YouTube, and tried to make it through Crimo’s chaotic music videos, I saw psychosis and desperation, a young man searching for meaning, alone, lost in angry fantasy.

I saw the unmistakable signs of drug abuse. Crimo was a marijuana smoker—that was obvious. You can see how, over the years, heavily smoking weed turned his skin gray and hair dull. While marijuana use can ease anxiety, PTSD, and even perform miracles for epileptics, for others it can cause psychosis.

There was more to Bobby Crimo’s decline than just dope. In addition to self-medicating, it’s a safe bet that he was on prescription drugs. Crimo was a member of an online movement called the “Sad Boys,” men who defy stereotypes and share their mental health struggles online. Most have depression.

MTG: How To Stop Mass Shootings

Is it 1982?

It was the weed, video games, and Alice Cooper!!!

 

[DonjoVol]

Imagine being proud of that. lol

Imagine being proud of voting for Joe Biden.

 

[zeppelin128]

The media celebrated and provided cover for the squad. Some conservative women said we ain't scared and came to pick a fight.

Thank the media for making the squad relevant . It will continue. Our congress is a joke reality show.

Surely in their respective districts, there are conservative women that aren't hateful bigots and attention seeking fools like MTG and BoBo.

And yes, the same can be said for the Squad. How known anti-Semites like Ilhan, Cory Bush, and the rest of the crowd keep getting reelected is beyond me.