MVP and ROTY

Who is the NFL's Most Valuable Player?

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#176
#176
Alfred Morris has a legit chance to finish second in the league in rushing to only AP himself, if you think that is because of RGIII you are crazy. He is a helluva back, and RGIII opens it up for him.. but let's be honest Royster wouldn't have came close to those numbers, neither would've Helu. A back like that will help any QB.
 
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#178
#178
Scotty's Flat Top said:
Oh ok. Didn't see that argument coming. Period. Or maybe RGIII has had more opportunities because of Morris. Goes both ways
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no it doesn't. Defenses aren't adjusting for a guy that can't beat them down the field.

I don't care what you might or might not have seen coming. There is a reason that they improved markedly on offense and it isn't because they have a decent RB. RBs don't make the NFL work unless they have blazing speed. Morris doesn't.
 
#179
#179
Scotty's Flat Top said:
Alfred Morris has a legit chance to finish second in the league in rushing to only AP himself, if you think that is because of RGIII you are crazy. He is a helluva back, and RGIII opens it up for him.. but let's be honest Royster wouldn't have came close to those numbers, neither would've Helu. A back like that will help any QB.
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There are any one of 25 back in the NFL who could have done what Morris did. Overstating back value is what has killed many GM in the NFL. Fortunately, many are learning, so we don't have to hear this silliness much longer.
 
#181
#181
BigPapaVol said:
There are any one of 25 back in the NFL who could have done what Morris did. Overstating back value is what has killed many GM in the NFL. Fortunately, many are learning, so we don't have to hear this silliness much longer.
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This is very true. For example, see Denver running backs during the Shanahan years. Some guy would come in, knock out a 1,000 yards and the whole league thought the guy was the second coming of Jim Brown. It happened numerous times.
 
#182
#182
BigPapaVol said:
There are any one of 25 back in the NFL who could have done what Morris did. Overstating back value is what has killed many GM in the NFL. Fortunately, many are learning, so we don't have to hear this silliness much longer.
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I semi-agree. Certain styles of running are better fits in certain schemes, but I'd say it's largely about the team around the RB. Morris hits the hole harder than most, IMO. I do agree RB is a bad investment that's sunk many a GM, but I think that has more to do with the fact that future play of a RB is completely unpredictable.
 
#184
#184
BigPapaVol said:
no it doesn't. Defenses aren't adjusting for a guy that can't beat them down the field.

I don't care what you might or might not have seen coming. There is a reason that they improved markedly on offense and it isn't because they have a decent RB. RBs don't make the NFL work unless they have blazing speed. Morris doesn't.
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Look at the Seahawks. Marshawn Lynch. Think that isn't helping Russell Wilson? Same common denominator there as Washington. Luck doesn't have that. If he did his numbers would be MUCH better. And I highly doubt Lynch is running a 4.4 forty at his age and after his knee surgeries, and I assure you he is making the "NFL work".
 
#185
#185
n_huffhines said:
The commissioner beat New Orleans. All year long. Drew Brees is the reason they have the ability to be competitive on any given day. That's why he gets my vote. RGIII is hard to argue against, though.
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They're not going to award MVP to a player on a 7-8 win team for that though
 
#186
#186
n_huffhines said:
Isn't that part of the "injuries" last year? The Colts had ironman at QB, so they had nothing invested in a backup plan. If they had average QB play, and went 2-14, your argument for Luck would be much stronger after the 8-game turnaround, but as you say the QB play was atrocious.
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But look at the team last year, Garcon, Tammie, Clark, Saturday. Luck is throwing to 2 rookie TE and 2 rookie WR. This is a rookie, with a rookie RB, throwing to 4 rookie WR oh and without his head coach.
 
#190
#190
BigPapaVol said:
There are any one of 25 back in the NFL who could have done what Morris did. Overstating back value is what has killed many GM in the NFL. Fortunately, many are learning, so we don't have to hear this silliness much longer.
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So you could plug in any one of 25 backs in that lineup and they would run for over 1500 yards and have double digit clams? Did I hear that right? You do realize that maybe 50 or 60 backs in NFL history have done that right?
 
#193
#193
volfanjustin said:
But look at the team last year, Garcon, Tammie, Clark, Saturday. Luck is throwing to 2 rookie TE and 2 rookie WR. This is a rookie, with a rookie RB, throwing to 4 rookie WR oh and without his head coach.
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Would you rather have Clark, Tamme, or Allen? I'll take Allen. Clark has 81 catches over the last 2 seasons.
 
#197
#197
volfanjustin said:
Ha of course you think it is. The fact is the skins don't have to play a team like the Texans twice.
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But conversely the Colts get to play the Jags and the Titans twice. That's pretty much an automatic 4-2 record for a decent team. The Redskins are faced with 6 division games that are all up for grabs.
 
#200
#200
volfanjustin said:
I will take Allen but Clark has had one hell of a career and Tammie is good also. And Allen is a rookie.
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Most people don't like Tamme cause he can't block, and he hasn't produced without Manning. This is why the Broncos can get away with only paying him $1M this year. To put that in perspective, Clark is making $2.7M for fewer catches. Clark had a great career, but it was slowing down 3 years ago.
 
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