Name Worley the starter now

[deezvols]

Why is it such a big deal that he tell reporters and fans who our #1 QB is right now? The man knows who he would start if the season started tomorrow, but it doesn't. Butch doesn't owe it to us fans to name a depth chart. He knows we're most concerned with wins, so he's doing everything he can to make sure he gets the best out of all of our QBs this season. As last season showed, we can't just count on 1 guy every season.

 

[GahLee]

Dobbs threw a wide open slant for the first time in his budding career and then talked smack to Maggitt. Maggitt promptly bearclawed Dobbs' upstart @ss to the ground... because who talks smack over a TE beating a DE on a slant pass in a 1v1 drill? It seemed really try-hard to me when I saw it. I get Dobbs wants to try to assert himself as a leader, but that is not the way you do it.

It was almost like the skinny nerd that goes to prison that has heard "to get respect, you go up to the biggest guy and beat him" because it was in The New Guy it must be true. Then nerd promptly gets taken behind the shed.

You'd have seen all of this if you had been watching Fall Camp tape. Surprise surprise... GahLee is in the dark on this.

This has nothing to do with anything. At all.

 

[GahLee]

Watch this and tell me if this would normally happen to the leader of your team.

Doesn't mean anything to me.

 

[NMVol]

Watch this and tell me if this would normally happen to the leader of your team.

Hope the fall out is not as bad as when McCullers trucked Bourque. Shake it off Joshua! :clapping:

 

[DC Vol]

Well, GahLee, I think you've lost it. Well, I'm not sure you ever had it to begin with.

 

[DD4ME]

I have been more critical of and cautious about trusting Jones and this staff than most here. However, this is a decision and process that I FULLY support Jones in doing HIS way whether it is the way I would prefer or not. The constant whining that he won't let US in on the big secret is pretty ridiculous. Some of you say you trust the guy then question his method or ability for making what could easily be a decision that makes or breaks his tenure at UT. The wrong decision COULD POSSIBLY (not certainly) put him on a trajectory that will lead to ultimate failure. Jones knows that and is approaching that decision in the way HE believes in.

Worley is the leading candidate right now. All signs point in that direction. While I am sure they've been instructed not to comment on who they believe the starter will be, I would wager that the players to a man know that it is headed in that direction. Worley led RF with Dobbs and Peterman trailing coming out of the spring. By all reports, he's done all the right things since and has improved his game. I've seen absolutely nothing that conclusively indicates that anyone has closed ground on him.

Jones thinks you prepare ALL of your players best when you cultivate competition in practice. We'll likely see the same thing next year and every year until UT has a QB returning that led a successful team in the previous year without getting injured. He's creating pressure on these guys knowing they'll face pressure when it matters most.

There are very few ways in practice to simulate fear of losing or pressure to make a play to "win". This type of competition seems to be a way of creating pressure like that.

Come on bro you've questioned Butch as much or more than anybody. Others aren't wrong for discussing this particular choice/plan just because it's one you agree with.

 

[GahLee]

Well, GahLee, I think you've lost it. Well, I'm not sure you ever had it to begin with.

I'm not sure why you're taking it so personal. I like Dobbs better than Worley. Big deal.

 

[GahLee]

Hope the fall out is not as bad as when McCullers trucked Bourque. Shake it off Joshua! :clapping:

What happened to that kid?

 

[DD4ME]

I'm not sure why you're taking it so personal. I like Dobbs better than Worley. Big deal.

I respect that. I wanted to like Dobbs better last year but I saw nothing from his starts that tells me he's ready for it. Same as you I like his potential. Difference is I think he still has work to do to tap into it.
It's just my opinion and it doesn't mean squat but even good coaches like Spurrier have mishandled QB battles. It's a tough and subjective thing.

 

[champyvol]

Worley is the senior and he was clearly the best QB last year. No one is challenging him enough for the position this year through Spring and now Fall Camp. He should be named starter, end of.

If you have two freshman (Ainge / Schaffer, Manning / Stewart) then you almost have to settle it on the field. We don't have that situation. The Ainge v Clausen confusion ruined the 2005 season (with perhaps our best defense ever).

Love Butch, but the QB indecision cost us a game against Florida last year, and it's happening again. Not sure why. We'll need the #1 and the #2 this season and everyone but Worley is coming back next year.

Name Worley and bring on some football!

this will be the reason i fear we won't go bowling this year. the qb play has to be very much improved or it is going to be a long season.

 

[sjt18]

Has he been named the starter yet?
There shouldn't be any doubt at this point, he's the senior, he should be running away with it.

At any rate, I like Dobbs more. I think he fits the scheme better.

I like Dobbs as well. Unlike many here, I think he will continue to develop and be hard to beat out... next fall.

No announcement has been made. OTOH, has Jones come out and said AJ would be the starting MLB? We all assume he will... but has Jones felt compelled to calm our troubled minds by declaring it?

It is assumed AJ is still the starter... I mean he almost always goes out with the 1's, correct? Maggitt... the same. Crowder goes out with the 1's almost all of the time along with Jackson. We're pretty sure North is a starter since he goes with the 1's pretty much every time. But has Jones publicly said that ANY of these guys was GOING to start? I don't think an official depth chart has been released showing them as starters either, has it?

Yet... Worley goes with the 1's almost every time. He did in spring when it seemed that RF was right on his tail and really only had to resolve some mental and emotional things to overtake Worley. He did last spring. He did last fall.

All that Jones has NOT done is stepped up to the microphone and announced Worley the starter.

It could all be misdirection. It could all change. But all of the signs we have to go on point to Worley.

 

[butchna]

Maggit pushing Dobbs to the ground in practice tells me all I need to know about who the leader of the team is.

Yeah...and he's a DE!!!....uhhh...what's your point? :unsure:

 

[GahLee]

I respect that. I wanted to like Dobbs better last year but I saw nothing from his starts that tells me he's ready for it. Same as you I like his potential. Difference is I think he still has work to do to tap into it.
It's just my opinion and it doesn't mean squat but even good coaches like Spurrier have mishandled QB battles. It's a tough and subjective thing.

Not easy for any true freshmen to step in like he was asked to. I would like to think that a year in the system will do him good. I think he has to be our guy in 2015, another thing to consider.

 

[sjt18]

Come on bro you've questioned Butch as much or more than anybody. Others aren't wrong for discussing this particular choice/plan just because it's one you agree with.

Of course I have. I have criticized things I thought were subpar AFTER he'd actually done them. But not because I was annoyed with him for not satisfying my "need to know".

Jones method here is NOT bad just because it doesn't make folks here feel all warm and fuzzy.

 

[GahLee]

I like Dobbs as well. Unlike many here, I think he will continue to develop and be hard to beat out... next fall.

No announcement has been made. OTOH, has Jones come out and said AJ would be the starting MLB? We all assume he will... but has Jones felt compelled to calm our troubled minds by declaring it?

It is assumed AJ is still the starter... I mean he almost always goes out with the 1's, correct? Maggitt... the same. Crowder goes out with the 1's almost all of the time along with Jackson. We're pretty sure North is a starter since he goes with the 1's pretty much every time. But has Jones publicly said that ANY of these guys was GOING to start? I don't think an official depth chart has been released showing them as starters either, has it?

Yet... Worley goes with the 1's almost every time. He did in spring when it seemed that RF was right on his tail and really only had to resolve some mental and emotional things to overtake Worley. He did last spring. He did last fall.

All that Jones has NOT done is stepped up to the microphone and announced Worley the starter.

It could all be misdirection. It could all change. But all of the signs we have to go on point to Worley.

Not fair comparisons but I get your point.

 

[DD4ME]

Yeah...and he's a DE!!!....uhhh...what's your point? :unsure:

You remember a defensive leader ever shoving Peyton or Tee to the ground? QB is supposed to be a leader of the entire team. If you run your mouth to one of the guys that might get you on the field and get shoved down like a puppy you may not be the guy to lead the team. At least not with command. Just my 2 cents.

 

[sjt18]

This has nothing to do with anything. At all.

You are right about that.... but it was still a mistake to get in the face of a Sr leader. And you definitely don't want a rift between the two if Dobbs does become the starter.

 

[GahLee]

You are right about that.... but it was still a mistake to get in the face of a Sr leader. And you definitely don't want a rift between the two if Dobbs does become the starter.

I bet he doesn't do it again. Lesson learned.

 

[DC Vol]

You remember a defensive leader ever shoving Peyton or Tee to the ground? QB is supposed to be a leader of the entire team. If you run your mouth to one of the guys that might get you on the field and get shoved down like a puppy you may not be the guy to lead the team. At least not with command. Just my 2 cents.

Exactly.

Peyton also wouldn't throw a meaningless 5-yard slant in a Fall Camp 1v1 and then go up to one of the actual teamleaders and get in their face. If Dobbs wanted to celebrate with the receiver, that's fine. Rubbing it in and calling out one of the leaders of your team? Totally different.

That's not how you assert yourself as a leader.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Maggit throwing Dobbs to the ground is exactly the nastiness this program has needed. We were winning in the days of Big Al, and he was coming after people on the practice field with weapons

 

[92volalum]

IIRC Peterman hurt HIS hand and couldn't grip the ball. When CBJ asked him if he was hurt, Peterman lied and said "no" because he wanted to stay in the game. On the next series he threw that God awful "pop-up" pass. CBJ then inserted Worley into the game.

It would have been much better for everyone if Peterman had been honest and just admitted he was injured.

VFE

So his other fumbles before that what happened?? Fact is butch should have realized after the first 2 turnovers Peterman suxed n was choking.. N fla was gift wrapping a huge chance to win in the swamp..

It should concern everyone he didn't recognize either n make in game changes..

Now its year two one excuse can't be used is a new system. We should look sharp n aligned correctly at a min n yr 2..

The candy n fla loss is on the coaches regardless of what the sunshine sheep say.

 

[NMVol]

Dobbs made a mistake. He needs to step up his game. I doubt CM holds a grudge. He made things perfectly clear.

 

[DD4ME]

Of course I have. I have criticized things I thought were subpar AFTER he'd actually done them. But not because I was annoyed with him for not satisfying my "need to know".

Jones method here is NOT bad just because it doesn't make folks here feel all warm and fuzzy.

You love philosophical debates and I am not going to engage in one here. I will only say that I think after watching how Butch ran the QB battle last year (i.e. past tense) I question what or who it benefited, if anyone. I'd counter that he's doing it the same this year and possibly to the detriment of continuity for the team, not my warm and fuzzies.
I believe if I've read the playbook accurately that this passes your suggested criteria for questioning Butch.

 

[gnm53108]

Of course I have. I have criticized things I thought were subpar AFTER he'd actually done them. But not because I was annoyed with him for not satisfying my "need to know".

Jones method here is NOT bad just because it doesn't make folks here feel all warm and fuzzy.

Some think the correct way of going about this is to name a starter as early as possible. I can see advantages in both ways of thinking.

You're right tho...it's CBJ's call.

 

[DD4ME]

Maggit throwing Dobbs to the ground is exactly the nastiness this program has needed. We were winning in the days of Big Al, and he was coming after people on the practice field with weapons

Exactly.

Peyton also wouldn't throw a meaningless 5-yard slant in a Fall Camp 1v1 and then go up to one of the actual teamleaders and get in their face. If Dobbs wanted to celebrate with the receiver, that's fine. Rubbing it in and calling out one of the leaders of your team? Totally different.

That's not how you assert yourself as a leader.

Amen.