Name Worley the starter now

[sjt18]

Not fair comparisons but I get your point.

Remember that I am talking about signs that point to where it ends up... not really making a prediction about where it ends up. I like Dobbs a lot and always have. OTOH, I like all those guys. All seem to work hard and have great attitudes. I'll be satisfied with whoever Jones believes can produce.

I think the comparison is "fair" just simply because it undeniably what has happened. It may end up not meaning the same thing to Worley as it does the others... but it seems very likely that it will unless it changes.

 

[DC Vol]

Maggit throwing Dobbs to the ground is exactly the nastiness this program has needed. We were winning in the days of Big Al, and he was coming after people on the practice field with weapons

I love how AJ and Maggitt are handling things.

 

[sjt18]

You love philosophical debates and I am not going to engage in one here. I will only say that I think after watching how Butch ran the QB battle last year (i.e. past tense) I question what or who it benefited, if anyone. I'd counter that he's doing it the same this year and possibly to the detriment of continuity for the team, not my warm and fuzzies.

I actually don't disagree with you. I just question the value of some of the whining that seems to be going on... not necessarily the way you have questioned it. I'm talking about those who have expressed actual frustration... and not those who like you disagree with the approach but don't get all bent out of shape that Jones does it differently.

I believe if I've read the playbook accurately that this passes your suggested criteria for questioning Butch.

Time to bury your grudges. There will be times when we agree and times when we don't. IIRC, you are among those who were pretty happy with my "philosophical" debates when I took your side... and I will again.

 

[Rooster1]

Here is one theory.

At Central Michigan, I don't think CBJ waited that long. Dan LaFauer or whatever was his main guy Soph, Junior, and Senior years.

When he took over Cincy, Zach Collaros (junior) was named the QB as early as April. He competing with another junior, Chazz Anderson but Collaros got the nod because Butch said he had better leadership skills and understood the playbook better. That was the first year.

He second year, Collaros was starter early and the competition was for 2nd place. (Munchie, Kay, and Anderson.)

Each time, CBJ talked about how Collaros understood the playbook much easier.

His third year, it was between Munchie and Kay and all knew the playbook (or should). but Because Collaros got hurt, Munchie had more experience. But still CBJ didn't announce Munchie as starter until late August.

Each time he went to a new school he has been able to recruit better QB's. From my understanding Munchie and Dobbs are really the only ones they have recruited.

My gut theory is that CBJ doesn't actually like competition but because he has moved up the ladder he has QB's that are more SKILLED, can understand the playbook FASTER, and all can have those LEADERSHIP skills he wants. I think CBJ is not used to that so the decision is harder for him. Basically I don't think they can evaluate QB's that well. When every QB is the same to you than you can't pick up the little tiny flaws they have. That scares me.

Your gut theorizes?

 

[BeecherVol]

Maggit throwing Dobbs to the ground is exactly the nastiness this program has needed. We were winning in the days of Big Al, and he was coming after people on the practice field with weapons

Truth.

Also evident we need to send Curt after the QB. Need to keep him out of coverage situations.

 

[99gator]

Butch doesn't get it?

 

[dd4vols]

Worley is the senior and he was clearly the best QB last year. No one is challenging him enough for the position this year through Spring and now Fall Camp. He should be named starter, end of.

If you have two freshman (Ainge / Schaffer, Manning / Stewart) then you almost have to settle it on the field. We don't have that situation. The Ainge v Clausen confusion ruined the 2005 season (with perhaps our best defense ever).

Love Butch, but the QB indecision cost us a game against Florida last year, and it's happening again. Not sure why. We'll need the #1 and the #2 this season and everyone but Worley is coming back next year.

Name Worley and bring on some football!

so you can start *****ing in about game 4 that the process of naming the most qualified and able QB was rushed???

 

[MWAVolfan]

Some think the correct way of going about this is to name a starter as early as possible. I can see advantages in both ways of thinking.

You're right tho...it's CBJ's call.

People, the simplest answer is usually the correct one. And Butch Jones comes very very close to actually saying it over and over when he gives comments.

The reason we havent named a starter is not because Butch wants to "driver competition". Its because none of them are currently worthy of starting.

The way that the QB situation was handled last year was due to the fact that Jones could not trust any of them to make intelligent decisions or make athletic plays.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Butch doesn't get it?

Oh, Butch gets it all right. But some of the people on this board dont.

 

[KBVol]

The fact that Worley was replaced by Dobbs should tell you something.

Worley wasn't replaced by Dobbs. Dobbs entered the Bama game after Worley suffered a season-ending injury to his right thumb. You've completely miscast what happened last year that led to Dobbs' playing time. It had nothing to do with Worley's performance, it was his injury.

 

[DD4ME]

Butch doesn't get it?

he can't be perfect


Peterman starts in the swamp....

 

[MWAVolfan]

Worley wasn't replaced by Dobbs. Dobbs entered the Bama game after Worley suffered a season-ending injury to his right thumb.

Was the Alabama game the first time CBJ took Worley out and put in another QB?

 

[butchna]

You remember a defensive leader ever shoving Peyton or Tee to the ground? QB is supposed to be a leader of the entire team. If you run your mouth to one of the guys that might get you on the field and get shoved down like a puppy you may not be the guy to lead the team. At least not with command. Just my 2 cents.

I remember when an enthusiastic Peyton entered the huddle for the first time against UCLA and his center Jason Layman barking at him "Shut the f#%* up and run the play!"....pretty much the same thing...no, I'd say WORSE...did that Peyton guy ever graduate? :huh:

 

[BeecherVol]

Butch doesn't get it?

Meh, he gets that VN is in an uproar over 2 mediocre Qbs.

 

[DD4ME]

People, the simplest answer is usually the correct one. And Butch Jones comes very very close to actually saying it over and over when he gives comments.

The reason we havent named a starter is not because Butch wants to "driver competition". Its because none of them are currently worthy of starting.

The way that the QB situation was handled last year was due to the fact that Jones could not trust any of them to make intelligent decisions or make athletic plays.

I get the thinking but someone will have to, be named and be trusted. Delaying that decision may or may not help, it isn't a certainty either way. Just because it's done one way by Butch doesn't mean it's the best way either. I'm sorry Butch is awesome but he's not infallible. I believe even he would admit to that.

 

[gnm53108]

People, the simplest answer is usually the correct one. And Butch Jones comes very very close to actually saying it over and over when he gives comments.

The reason we havent named a starter is not because Butch wants to "driver competition". Its because none of them are currently worthy of starting.

The way that the QB situation was handled last year was due to the fact that Jones could not trust any of them to make intelligent decisions or make athletic plays.

He found all three worthy of atleast one start last year.

 

[DD4ME]

I remember when an enthusiastic Peyton entered the huddle for the first time against UCLA and his center Jason Layman barking at him "Shut the f#%* up and run the play!"....pretty much the same thing...no, I'd say WORSE...did that Peyton guy ever graduate? :huh:

I don't see that as worse at all.

 

[butchna]

I don't see that as worse at all.

One was in an ACTUAL GAME?

 

[gnm53108]

I get the thinking but someone will have to, be named and be trusted. Delaying that decision may or may not help, it isn't a certainty either way. Just because it's done one way by Butch doesn't mean it's the best way either. I'm sorry Butch is awesome but he's not infallible. I believe even he would admit to that.

Good post.

I dont think any coach could look back over thier career and say they shouldn't have done something differently.

 

[Chilmonty]

Worley wasn't replaced by Dobbs. Dobbs entered the Bama game after Worley suffered a season-ending injury to his right thumb. You've completely miscast what happened last year that led to Dobbs' playing time. It had nothing to do with Worley's performance, it was his injury.

^This! Alot of you seem to forget that Dobbs was 11-19 for 53 yards against freakin Vandy last year, By By Bowl Game! :banghead2:
Dobbs has yet to show me much of anything! JMO


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[RollerVol]

If I'm not mistaken, I'd say injuries may have cost us the Fla. game last year.

Competition is healthy and good. Without competition complacency sets in.

Complacency is the reason why our program has been in the sh!tter for the last decade or longer. CBJ is not interested in your need for instant gratification.
Why don't all you whiners and complainers STFU and let CBJ do his job or just go ahead and jump ship now.I'm sure a Bama sticker would look good on the back of your Big Wheels.


Don't want to listen to you p!ss and moan from now until January!!:bash:

VFE

If you are going to the see the General, have a good trip, and ask him when is he coming back. :cray::salute::salute:

GO VOLS!

 

[Spartacavolus]

^This! Alot of you seem to forget that Dobbs was 11-19 for 53 yards against freakin Vandy last year, By By Bowl Game! :banghead2:
Dobbs has yet to show me much of anything! JMO


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He had a busted hand, jacked up knee, no TE and his outside receivers were Smith and Carter.
If there was another qb available, he wouldn't have played.

 

[TucsonVol]

I believe BJ knows his QBs are average at best so he may play both.

 

[KBVol]

^This! Alot of you seem to forget that Dobbs was 11-19 for 53 yards against freakin Vandy last year, By By Bowl Game! :banghead2:
Dobbs has yet to show me much of anything! JMO


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In all fairness to Dobbs, he was injured the Vandy game and evidently had absolutely no one to throw to once North went out. I put that game more on Butch and Azzani than I do Dobbs, especially since he had the game won had Pig not committed that stupid, mindless block in the back penalty.

Bottom line, had Worley not been injured the Bama game, Dobbs likely would never have played as a true freshman last year.

 

[99gator]

In all seriousness, I agree with the original post.

I might give it another week, but I think it's a good idea to name a starter unless you really are truly undecided.

I think it's hard to be the team's leader if you don't even have your job yet. Plus, sometimes without the pressure of having to win the job anymore, often times a player goes out more relaxed and performs better.

Having said all that, I'm sure Butch has got a handle on it and knows his team.