Name your most hated ESPN analyst

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my fav play-by-play is hands down Verne Lundquist. He is an awesome football announcer. When he was w/ Todd Blackledge they owned. Verne has an awesome voice, is objective, and he loves SEC football. Gus Johnson is my favorite basketball announcer. He would be great if he toned down just a tad though.
 
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TennesseeT said:
Whereas the best athletes in basketball, baseball, football, at some point in time were pretty good at all three sports and maybe even more.
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Wow, that is some deep thinking there T. You're telling me that the best athletes were good at sports. In depth buddy.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I picked up golf after I finished my more physical athletic career. I'll assure you that I fared fine at the other sports and that golf is easily the most difficult of all of them to excel in.

I'm not calling myself an athlete, just saying that I can likely beat you at most sports.
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Golf is more difficult because it is hard to hit a little ball far and straight or accurately. It is not hard because it requires athleticism. Anyone that plays enough golf can be excel at it. The problem is it is a rich man's game and very few can take the time and/or money to play enough to achieve that.

In my high school era the best golfers were always from private schools. Why? because they were better athletes? No! because their parents had money to buy them $1000 sets of clubs and spend $100s a week on golf rounds and lessons. Not too many people have that luxury. See Tiger Woods and every other golfer on tour.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm not, but suspect I can beat you at most sports, including golf.
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:eek:lol: I'm gonna have to call shennanigans! I'll give you golf but I'm gonna have to disagree on football, basketball, baseball, tennis and I'm sure that I'm forgetting a few others. I don't know you so you might be quite athletic but given your defensiveness at me saying golf is not an athletic sport and your views on women's athletics I'm guessing that sports are something that you cynically comment on but rarely participate in. Too bad we probably won't ever have the opportunity to prove this.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
I somewhat agree with him. Tiger is a phenomenal golfer but it is just silly that people act like he is one of the best athletes in the world. Golf is a game of skill, not an athletic sport. He is obviously more athletic than most on the PGA tour and that might give him an advantage but he should only be compared to the likes of Michael Jordan or Walter Peyton when talking about his competitiveness or his dominance of this era in golf.
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You may be interested in some of the discussion in the second half of this thread:

http://www.volnation.com/forum/sports-forum/49252-golf-channel-tiger-out-08-a.html

Golf is obviously a sacred cow for a lot of guys, but I wasn't even trying to say anything bad about Tiger, who's clearly the best ever at one of the most popular games in the world. I think it just comes down to how widely you're willing to expand the concept of "athleticism." Nobody ever did tell me why golfers are athletes but not pro bowlers and dart throwers. Golf is almost exactly as athletic a sport as bowling would be if you had to go outside and walk around the bowling alley between every frame.
 
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TennesseeT said:
No I'm pretty sure you missed it. Maybe it was over your head.
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Yea, your idea that some people that are the best in the world at something also happen to be really good at some other relatable activities is right up there in the stratosphere.
 
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allvol123 said:
Yea, your idea that some people that are the best in the world at something also happen to be really good at some other relatable activities is right up there in the stratosphere.
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But what other sports are the best in golf good at? None because golf does not require athleticism. That's the point.
 
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TennesseeT said:
Golf is more difficult because it is hard to hit a little ball far and straight or accurately. It is not hard because it requires athleticism. Anyone that plays enough golf can be excel at it. The problem is it is a rich man's game and very few can take the time and/or money to play enough to achieve that.

In my high school era the best golfers were always from private schools. Why? because they were better athletes? No! because their parents had money to buy them $1000 sets of clubs and spend $100s a week on golf rounds and lessons. Not too many people have that luxury. See Tiger Woods and every other golfer on tour.
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very common misconception. The best golfers generate a lot of clubhead speed, but also have rhythm, timing, exceptional hand eye coordination and amazing feel (touch). It's not hard for anyone to work at golf and get decent, but not everyone has scratch golf in their future. Drastically fewer have the +5 or better that the big boys are. Hitting that little ball straight everyone can do at times, but over and over with consistent distances AND accuracy, almost none can do.

The modern game has changed and the grinder who could make a living around the greens just can't beat the athletes entering golf today.
 
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TennesseeT said:
Golf is more difficult because it is hard to hit a little ball far and straight or accurately. It is not hard because it requires athleticism. Anyone that plays enough golf can be excel at it. The problem is it is a rich man's game and very few can take the time and/or money to play enough to achieve that.

In my high school era the best golfers were always from private schools. Why? because they were better athletes? No! because their parents had money to buy them $1000 sets of clubs and spend $100s a week on golf rounds and lessons. Not too many people have that luxury. See Tiger Woods and every other golfer on tour.
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Quite possibly the most ignorant post of all time in this forum. Sorry, I am not flaming but just stating a fact. I can promise you better athletes can excel easier at golf than non athletes. Why?? Because it takes unbelievable hand-eye coordination to be really good at the sport. And most of the greatest golfers all excelled at other sports before settling on golf. Not taking up golf, but settling on it. Jack Nicklaus was a great high school linebacker. Tom Watson was an all state QB in Kansas. Hale Irwin started at safety for Colorado. Ernie Els was a great soccer player as was Retief Goosen. Mark Calcavecchia was a great high school basketball player..the list goes on and on.
 
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TennesseeT said:
But what other sports are the best in golf good at? None because golf does not require athleticism. That's the point.
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You did not say the best in their sport. You said the best athletes in a particular sport. I'd say the best athletes in golf are good at many other sports.
 
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truefan said:
Quite possibly the most ignorant post of all time in this forum. Sorry, I am not flaming but just stating a fact. I can promise you better athletes can excel easier at golf than non athletes. Why?? Because it takes unbelievable hand-eye coordination to be really good at the sport. And most of the greatest golfers all excelled at other sports before settling on golf. Not taking up golf, but settling on it. Jack Nicklaus was a great high school linebacker. Tom Watson was an all state QB in Kansas. Hale Irwin started at safety for Colorado. Ernie Els was a great soccer player as was Retief Goosen. Mark Calcavecchia was a great high school basketball player..the list goes on and on.
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If Hale Irwin was a starting safety then that is a good point. All the others are bs. I was a great pitcher in little league but gave up my pro career to go work full time.

Your post is just as ignorant as any I've read.
 
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allvol123 said:
You did not say the best in their sport. You said the best athletes in a particular sport. I'd say the best athletes in golf are good at many other sports.
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Examples please? Something along the lines of Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Michael Jordan, Jeff Samarja, the kid that UT signed at QB that quit to play baseball.

Name one golfer that has given up a pro career in baseball, basketball, or football to play golf.
 
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truefan said:
Quite possibly the most ignorant post of all time in this forum. Sorry, I am not flaming but just stating a fact. I can promise you better athletes can excel easier at golf than non athletes. Why?? Because it takes unbelievable hand-eye coordination to be really good at the sport. And most of the greatest golfers all excelled at other sports before settling on golf. Not taking up golf, but settling on it. Jack Nicklaus was a great high school linebacker. Tom Watson was an all state QB in Kansas. Hale Irwin started at safety for Colorado. Ernie Els was a great soccer player as was Retief Goosen. Mark Calcavecchia was a great high school basketball player..the list goes on and on.
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athletes don't have manboobs. while i sure it helps to be a great athlete, it certainly isn't required. and good hand eye coordination and being a good athlete isn't always related.
 
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TennesseeT said:
Examples please? Something along the lines of Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Michael Jordan, Jeff Samarja, the kid that UT signed at QB that quit to play baseball.

Name one golfer that has given up a pro career in baseball, basketball, or football to play golf.
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He said they were great golfers/athletes. He didn't say they were pro football or basketball caliber, just good athletes.
 
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TennesseeT said:
Examples please? Something along the lines of Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Michael Jordan, Jeff Samarja, the kid that UT signed at QB that quit to play baseball.

Name one golfer that has given up a pro career in baseball, basketball, or football to play golf.
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One, I am not enough of a golf afficianado to know player bios of PGA players. Two, none of what you have asked above has anything to do with any of the piss poor points you have tried to make. So baseball players are not athletes because David Wells looks like a lard ass, can't play offense and needs 3 to 4 days between starts?
 
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TennesseeT said:
Examples please? Something along the lines of Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Michael Jordan, Jeff Samarja, the kid that UT signed at QB that quit to play baseball.

Name one golfer that has given up a pro career in baseball, basketball, or football to play golf.
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you seen those guys trying to play golf? Jordan was supposed to be the smoothest guy on the planet, yet has fast twitch muscle to burn. He plays as much golf as anyone out there, yet still sucks. How is that?

Very few in those sports have given it up to play golf because golf has only recently risen to prominence, but I guarantee you'll see it more in the future. However, the non-contract nature of golf and the difficulty in scratching out a living there will definitely deter many if they have the ability in the big 3 sports.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
:eek:lol: I'm gonna have to call shennanigans! I'll give you golf but I'm gonna have to disagree on football, basketball, baseball, tennis and I'm sure that I'm forgetting a few others. I don't know you so you might be quite athletic but given your defensiveness at me saying golf is not an athletic sport and your views on women's athletics I'm guessing that sports are something that you cynically comment on but rarely participate in. Too bad we probably won't ever have the opportunity to prove this.
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You have no idea of that which you speak. Absolutely 0.
 
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TennesseeT said:
Examples please? Something along the lines of Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Michael Jordan, Jeff Samarja, the kid that UT signed at QB that quit to play baseball.

Name one golfer that has given up a pro career in baseball, basketball, or football to play golf.
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Besides Bo or Deion, name one professional athlete who could have excelled as high at another professional sport?

And I don't call being an all-state QB BS or just being all region in basketball. A great athlete is a great athlete. I am fairly certain, like BPV, I am a better athlete than most on this thread and in this forum. I can say in my informed opinion, being a +2, that golf is an athletic sport. Anyone can learn to hit free throws too. i would equate that to a 15 handicapper. In fact, virtually every guy I played collegiate golf with were good athletes.

In order to be a great golfer, you must be a good athlete, plain and simple

You can't win this one Tennessee T, you're not nearly informed enough
 
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KB5252 said:
He said they were great golfers/athletes. He didn't say they were pro football or basketball caliber, just good athletes.
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So out of all the good athletes in golf, none of em were athletic enough to play another sport professionally. Sounds like to me you don't have to be all that athletic to play golf.

You hear all the time about kids turning down offers to do this or do that to play other sports. You have all the multi-sport recruits, and kids that have to choose what sport to play in college. When is the last time you heard about a kid being recruited to play football, basketball, or baseball but would only come if he/she could play golf as well.
 
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