'26 NC QB Faizon Brandon (Tennessee commit)

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85SugarVol said:
Of course our coaches’ evals carry more weight, and they should. And I’m thrilled that Heup can ID them early.

But that doesn’t impact the predictive ability of the star system in the aggregate.
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The star system in the aggregate has value in its final version because they’ve adjusted the rankings numerous times and followed the offers/signings. It’s reactive.

But we had fans upset that CJH was prioritizing Brandon over Curtis 2 years before they graduate because Curtis was ranked higher. The rankings at that point are pretty meaningless because the websites haven’t had time to adjust their rankings to follow who signs where and which schools heavily pursue certain players…while pretending it’s based purely on their own evaluations.

And those fans will never learn, no matter how many examples we get.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
The star system in the aggregate has value in its final version because they’ve adjusted the rankings numerous times and followed the offers/signings. It’s reactive.

But we had fans upset that CJH was prioritizing Brandon over Curtis 2 years before they graduate because Curtis was ranked higher. The rankings at that point are pretty meaningless because the websites haven’t had time to adjust their rankings to follow who signs where and which schools heavily pursue certain players…while pretending it’s based purely on their own evaluations.

And those fans will never learn, no matter how many examples we get.
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Tbf, I think some liked the idea of Curtis because he's in Nashville.

I think he will be a great QB too but he isn't as good of a fit for our offense compared to Brandon.

Also, I trust CJH lol
 
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Shouldn't the number 1 ranking be taken with a grain of salt considering he isn't even a top 100 player on another site? Am I missing something here?
 
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Prayivm3rcy said:
Shouldn't the number 1 ranking be taken with a grain of salt considering he isn't even a top 100 player on another site? Am I missing something here?
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AP really took aim at Rivals in the VQ podcast for their ranking of F. Brandon. He said that he doesn't necessarily have to be #1 to be validated, but if this kid is merely the 14th best QB in the country in his class, then this is the deepest QB class of all time.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I predict that although there are enough 4-5 stars each year to cover the entire draft, that half of the draft will be 3 stars in most years. That is about a 50% miss rate in 4’s.

It is pretty easy to predict success for the no-brainers, the 5’s and upper 4’s, after that it can get fuzzy real fast.

Aggregate data does not mean much for the entire 3 star pool, love to see the numbers for 3 stars that get 4 p5 official visits. Bet it is different. The 3’s that pass the 4’s are lumped in with ALL the tweeners and early physically peaked guys that get passed by later bloomers after their 17th birthdays. Gene pool trends are hard to anticipate. Then you have to deal with between the ears variables.
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4 Stars are nowhere near a 50/50 proposition. Historically, they’ve had a 25-30% hit rate.

5 Stars are a 50/50 prop.
 
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cncchris33 said:
AP really took aim at Rivals in the VQ podcast for their ranking of F. Brandon. He said that he doesn't necessarily have to be #1 to be validated, but if this kid is merely the 14th best QB in the country in his class, then this is the deepest QB class of all time.
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You got a link to this podcast?
 
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NighthawkVol said:
The star system in the aggregate has value in its final version because they’ve adjusted the rankings numerous times and followed the offers/signings. It’s reactive.

But we had fans upset that CJH was prioritizing Brandon over Curtis 2 years before they graduate because Curtis was ranked higher. The rankings at that point are pretty meaningless because the websites haven’t had time to adjust their rankings to follow who signs where and which schools heavily pursue certain players…while pretending it’s based purely on their own evaluations.

And those fans will never learn, no matter how many examples we get.
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Offers are an input. Just like camps, evals, film, games, etc. The rankings do get better throughout the cycle, they have also gotten better cycle to cycle throughout their history.

The Curtis stuff - a large portion of that angst was tied up in a flawed version of the in state narrative.
 
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Prayivm3rcy said:
Shouldn't the number 1 ranking be taken with a grain of salt considering he isn't even a top 100 player on another site? Am I missing something here?
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depends on which site has him ranked where.

which ever site has him ranked higher is correct as long as he is a TN lean or commit. the other guys are just wrong.

joking aside, if its ESPN who has him down in the 100s I wouldn't put any weight to it, at all. their recruiting stuff SUCKS. honestly I would be worried if they had him as #1, while the others had him lower.
On3 and 247 are the top two dogs, if there is a big difference between the two, and both are relatively updated, then yeah that would be something to worry about. but usually there is some lag from one of the services where they haven't updated too much. so its difficult to say you need to be worried about a top 100 rank from 6 months ago vs #1 from 2 weeks ago. <-- I don't know what the timeline actually is on their rankings, just saying.
Rivals is ok, a clear step above ESPN, but a clear step below the other two.
 
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Some of y’all don’t get it. No one hates Curtis or thinks that Curtis won’t be good. He probably will. It’s just that he doesn’t fit the UT system as well as Faizon (according to the coaching staff). And then there was another individual who wanted us to NOT take GMac in 25 so we could prioritize Curtis in 26 (which is really the dumbest take I’ve ever heard of on here).
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
The point is, the staff wants players that fit their system.

If it means not pursuing highly touted players in the state of Tennessee, then so be it.
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Right, but I don't think the population of people who disagree with that idea is as numerous as some may think. And in Jared Curtis's case, I don't think it has quite as much to do with him being from Tennessee as it does with him also being a highly-touted 5* QB. Being from Tennessee simply made it seem more likely that we could land him. I think your point would be more considerable if he was from Tennessee and merely a top 10-15ish player at his position.
 
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Random thought but is it possible they are both talented?

Let's lean into the one the staff chose to pursue.
 
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Prayivm3rcy said:
Shouldn't the number 1 ranking be taken with a grain of salt considering he isn't even a top 100 player on another site? Am I missing something here?
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He’s the #1 QB on the 2 best recruiting sites: 247 and on3. His rivals ranking is a joke. I’m guessing it just hasn’t been updated in a while.

Edit: I see rivals changed him from the #14 to #8 QB. Either way I’m rolling with the big 2 on this one.
 
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AllThingsTN said:
He’s the #1 QB on the 2 best recruiting sites: 247 and on3. His rivals ranking is a joke. I’m guessing it just hasn’t been updated in a while.
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Basically I think there’s only so many good regional scouts that go around and evaluate players. When 247 came about it pulled most of the good people from Rivals then ON3 came about and took basically whoever they wanted as well. Rivals is only as good as the people they have evaluating players. Of course ESPN has sucked for years and people still pay for that service. 😂
 
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AllThingsTN said:
He’s the #1 QB on the 2 best recruiting sites: 247 and on3. His rivals ranking is a joke. I’m guessing it just hasn’t been updated in a while.

Edit: I see rivals changed him from the #14 to #8 QB. Either way I’m rolling with the big 2 on this one.
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Rivals must have adjusted their rankings in the last 24 hours. He was like #14 QB and #224 overall, or something like that.
 
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