NCAA BBall POY Thread

#51
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Jaytrain5 said:
Yep. Bo Kimble, Alphonso Ford, Lee Nailon...all were prolific college scorers...they don't have any POY hardware.
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All the players you and others mention are currently not playing college basketball. However, Stephen Curry is, and he happens to be one of the few players who will be considered for this honor in the year 2009.
 
#52
#52
hatvol96 said:
Xavier McDaniel led the country in scoring and rebounding. He didn't win the POY award. I guess his lack of a camera hogging mother in the stands ruined his chances.
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My God, the bitterness is palpable. But why?

All previous comments about being glad McKillop "got his" are ringing hollow now.

I'd say Mrs. Curry is pretty fair game - I mean, she does love her son, and she is attractive. How low of her.
 
#53
#53
TennNC said:
that was in reference to the Davidson comment - I bet JTIII, Mark Few and Bo Ryan all were so charmed by Davidson's adorable story.
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I'm assuming that none of those 3 believes Curry deserves player of the year, regardless of last year's upsets.
 
#54
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TennNC said:
All the players you and others mention are currently not playing college basketball. However, Stephen Curry is, and he happens to be one of the few players who will be considered for this honor in the year 2009.
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regardless, the list of small school stat machines that were nowhere near the player of the year hardware is long.
 
#56
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nickknx865 said:
I'm saying, the way he gets D'd-up and pressured, if he keeps up that 30 PPG, he should get POTY, IMO.
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you assume all of his predecessors, especially Hersey, didn't get the same treatment?

Voters tend to shy away from the guys putting up big stats against SoCon style competition.
 
#57
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BigPapaVol said:
you assume all of his predecessors, especially Hersey, didn't get the same treatment?

Voters tend to shy away from the guys putting up big stats against SoCon style competition.
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Again, he gets doubled pretty much every game he plays. I beleive earlier in the year, in one game, Curry was doubled, no matter where he went. So, he scored not a single point, but had an a**load of assists, because it was pretty much 4 on 3 the whole game.
 
#58
#58
nickknx865 said:
Again, he gets doubled pretty much every game he plays. I beleive earlier in the year, in one game, Curry was doubled, no matter where he went. So, he scored not a single point, but had an a**load of assists, because it was pretty much 4 on 3 the whole game.
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care to remind me who that team was?

Honestly, do you think Curry scored 30 per night playing at UK? UConn, Louisville, UNC, KU, OU, UT, Wake, Duke, Pitt, etc. etc. etc?
 
#60
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TennNC said:
My God, the bitterness is palpable. But why?

All previous comments about being glad McKillop "got his" are ringing hollow now.

I'd say Mrs. Curry is pretty fair game - I mean, she does love her son, and she is attractive. How low of her.
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It's not bitterness. I just choose to live in reality. The media, and alleged basketball fans who have no clue, go to great lengths to attempt to make the Gonzagas, George Masons, and Davidsons more than they are. Curry is just another small school stat machine who has parlayed 15 minutes on the national stage into a cult following. Anyone who votes for him on a POY ballot should have their credentials pulled.
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#63
#63
nickknx865 said:
To be honest, yes, I think he could. But then again, I really like the guy so, I could be a bit biased.
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which of those teams is going to go to him enough to let him score 30 per? The Vols might, but anyone else.

The major school that has Curry scoring 30 per is going to have one awful record.
 
#64
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BigPapaVol said:
which of those teams is going to go to him enough to let him score 30 per? The Vols might, but anyone else.

The major school that has Curry scoring 30 per is going to have one awful record.
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Like anyone "lets" someone score 30 a game. But, I think he'd be a damn good 2 guard in major college(BCS confrence) ball. I could see Curry scoring 25 PPG if he played for Duke or UNC. Well, not UNC, but most teams.
 
#65
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BigPapaVol said:
which of those teams is going to go to him enough to let him score 30 per? The Vols might, but anyone else.

The major school that has Curry scoring 30 per is going to have one awful record.
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Dan Callandrillo comes to mind.
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#66
#66
nickknx865 said:
Like anyone "lets" someone score 30 a game. But, I think he'd be a damn good 2 guard in major college(BCS confrence) ball. I could see Curry scoring 25 PPG if he played for Duke or UNC. Well, not UNC, but most teams.
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The only person averaging 25 points a game if Curry played in a BCS league would be whoever he's guarding.
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#67
#67
nickknx865 said:
Like anyone "lets" someone score 30 a game. But, I think he'd be a damn good 2 guard in major college(BCS confrence) ball. I could see Curry scoring 25 PPG if he played for Duke or UNC. Well, not UNC, but most teams.
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Which school would need him to take enough shots to score 25-30 per?

Curry could clearly score that much, but the PPS numbers for him would drop very quickly playing against better teams with better athletes defending. He could clearly go off some nights and put up big numbers like Lofton did, but not with any real regularity. I say all of that as a huge fan of the kid.
 
#68
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BigPapaVol said:
which of those teams is going to go to him enough to let him score 30 per? The Vols might, but anyone else.

The major school that has Curry scoring 30 per is going to have one awful record.
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that really is a dumb argument. If a player is capable of scoring a lot of points, and he's on your team, you try to give him the most opportunities to score. If it's more efficient for him to get 30 of your team's points than divvying it up amongst 2 or 3 other guys, why would you not give him the shots?

What has Davidson's winning % been with Curry in the lineup? It's not as if they're tanking so they can have the scoring champ on their team.
 
#69
#69
BigPapaVol said:
Which school would need him to take enough shots to score 25-30 per?

Curry could clearly score that much, but the PPS numbers for him would drop very quickly playing against better teams with better athletes defending. He could clearly go off some nights and put up big numbers like Lofton did, but not with any real regularity. I say all of that as a huge fan of the kid.
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I know you're a huge fan of Curry, but how many did he put up against Duke? NC State? West Virginia? North Carolina? Georgetown? Gonzaga? Wisconsin? Kansas? Many of you are acting like he was a one-trick pony. He's proven he can play against the best teams in the country.
 
#70
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TennNC said:
I know you're a huge fan of Curry, but how many did he put up against Duke? NC State? West Virginia? North Carolina? Georgetown? Gonzaga? Wisconsin? Kansas? Many of you are acting like he was a one-trick pony. He's proven he can play against the best teams in the country.
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He has, he just hasn't proven it with decent options on his own team. There is a huge difference. I don't know if you remember that Jordan fella, but his scoring continued to go down as his team became better and better. It's odd the way that works. Chamberlain stopped putting up comic book numbers when he joined teams with a prayer of winning. It's simply a part of being on better teams. Those with limited option lose to good teams.

As to that list you put up, which could play D? G'town and KU maybe?
 
#71
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TennNC said:
I know you're a huge fan of Curry, but how many did he put up against Duke? NC State? West Virginia? North Carolina? Georgetown? Gonzaga? Wisconsin? Kansas? Many of you are acting like he was a one-trick pony. He's proven he can play against the best teams in the country.
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His performance against West Virginia proves Curry's critics point. How many shots did he take to get his numbers that night? In fact, dial up his shooting percentages against the Top 50 quality teams Davidson has faced this year. Then, imagine if he had to play that competition twice a week, instead of interspersed among the Citadels and ETSUs of the world.
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#72
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hatvol96 said:
It's not bitterness. I just choose to live in reality. The media, and alleged basketball fans who have no clue, go to great lengths to attempt to make the Gonzagas, George Masons, and Davidsons more than they are. Curry is just another small school stat machine who has parlayed 15 minutes on the national stage into a cult following. Anyone who votes for him on a POY ballot should have their credentials pulled.
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Clue us in, then.

Who should we fans cheer for? Should we have dismissed a team for beating a school with more undergrad students than it has total alums? Should we have dismissed a team that made it to the Elite Eight and made the eventual NCs crap their pants as the final buzzer sounded?

Should we dismiss a team for scheduling one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country despite the fact that about 5% of the players they play against would even have a chance of getting into their school and playing in their program?
 
#73
#73
TennNC said:
Clue us in, then.

Who should we fans cheer for? Should we have dismissed a team for beating a school with more undergrad students than it has total alums? Should we have dismissed a team that made it to the Elite Eight and made the eventual NCs crap their pants as the final buzzer sounded?

Should we dismiss a team for scheduling one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country despite the fact that about 5% of the players they play against would even have a chance of getting into their school and playing in their program?
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nobody's telling you who to root for. I'm simply saying that Curry has no business winning the POY trophy.
 
#74
#74
TennNC said:
Clue us in, then.

Who should we fans cheer for? Should we have dismissed a team for beating a school with more undergrad students than it has total alums? Should we have dismissed a team that made it to the Elite Eight and made the eventual NCs crap their pants as the final buzzer sounded?

Should we dismiss a team for scheduling one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country despite the fact that about 5% of the players they play against would even have a chance of getting into their school and playing in their program?
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Cheer for whoever you want. Just don't waste my time babbling about the power of a program that has won 3 NCAA Tournament games in 30 plus years. The Gonzagas and Davidsons of the world are cute stories for the Access Hollywood crowd. To the real balance of power in college basketball, they're thoroughly irrelevant.
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#75
#75
hatvol96 said:
His performance against West Virginia proves Curry's critics point. How many shots did he take to get his numbers that night? In fact, dial up his shooting percentages against the Top 50 quality teams Davidson has faced this year. Then, imagine if he had to play that competition twice a week, instead of interspersed among the Citadels and ETSUs of the world.
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Sorry - who won the game against W. Va? And who scored his team's final 12 points to erase a 7-pt deficit to win?

Instead of imagining, let's take your advice and base it in reality. Take his stats during his career against UNC, Duke, NC State, W Va., Oklahoma, Purdue, GTown, Gonzaga, KU, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and any other team you deem worthy. There you'll have your answer.

(also, psst - ETSU is not in the SoCon)
 
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