NCAA BBall POY Thread

#76
#76
hatvol96 said:
Cheer for whoever you won't. Just don't waste my time babbling about the power of a program that has won 3 NCAA Tournament games in 30 plus years. The Gonzagas and Davidsons of the world are cute stories for the Access Hollywood crowd. To the real balance of power in college basketball, they're thoroughly irrelevant.
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I cannot waste your time - it's physically impossible. You choose to participate in discussions, and obviously this one particularly concerns you.

I presume you feel the same way about Utah in football. Silly Utes - they're completely irrelevant to the balance of power amongst those who deserve it.
 
#77
#77
TennNC said:
Sorry - who won the game against W. Va? And who scored his team's final 12 points to erase a 7-pt deficit to win?

Instead of imagining, let's take your advice and base it in reality. Take his stats during his career against UNC, Duke, NC State, W Va., Oklahoma, Purdue, GTown, Gonzaga, KU, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and any other team you deem worthy. There you'll have your answer.

(also, psst - ETSU is not in the SoCon)
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ETSU is the quality of opponent they generally play. I could have also used Loyola of Maryland or any number of 300 plus RPI filler teams.
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#79
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TennNC said:
I presume you feel the same way about Utah in football. Silly Utes - they're completely irrelevant to the balance of power amongst those who deserve it.
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Finally, you post something accurate.
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#80
#80
hatvol96 said:
ETSU is the quality of opponent they generally play. I could have also used Loyola of Maryland or any number of 300 plus RPI filler teams.
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except for the schools they actually have the power to schedule - given their non-conference schedule is in the top 20, I'd say the teams they play are slightly lower than 300-plus in the RPI.
 
#83
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TennNC said:
except for the schools they actually have the power to schedule - given their non-conference schedule is in the top 20, I'd say the teams they play are slightly lower than 300-plus in the RPI.
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Loyola of Maryland is in the Southern Conference?
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#84
#84
TennNC said:
Rich. I'm sure Nick Saban didn't care about whether he won or lost that game, seeing as his opponent was completely irrelevant.
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His players may have seen it that way. One game, you are number 1, unbeaten, and playing for the national title. The next game, you are playing Utah in what is your consolation game. I could see how they wouldn't be at their best.
 
#88
#88
nickknx865 said:
Again, he gets doubled pretty much every game he plays. I beleive earlier in the year, in one game, Curry was doubled, no matter where he went. So, he scored not a single point, but had an a**load of assists, because it was pretty much 4 on 3 the whole game.
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Three.
 
#90
#90
Some Curry stats

OU: 12/29 from the field, 6/15 from 3
NCST: 15/33, 4/14
WVU: 9/27, 4/16
Purdue: 5/26, 2/12
Duke: 10/22, 1/8

Totals
51/137
17/65 from 3

Yeah...not very good when he actually plays quality defenses.
 
#91
#91
The more interesting speculation is to imagine what kind of numbers Blake Griffin or James Harden would put up if they got a steady diet of College of Charleston and Elon.
 
#92
#92
Harden's early season slate wasn't really much to brag about, and is probably on par with davidson's.

Harden shot 63%, 63%, 56%, 70%, 52%, 60%, 60%, 58% in 7 games against the likes of UTEP, pepperdine, charlotte, Idaho state, c. conn, etc.--all of which teams are probably even better than what curry faces.

He averaged about 26 in those games, and many were 30+ blowouts, which probably limits the necessity of him shooting the ball in the last 10 minutes.

He's(Curry) a great story and fun to watch, but to put him on par with harden is to fall too much in love with the camera and the puff pieces.
 
#93
#93
i think the only person at this point that can beat out curry for poy is griffin, and thats how it should be.
 
#94
#94
The respective conferences Griffn and Curry play in are ill-equipped to handle their unique talents, so I wouldn't be surprised if either of them take the POY, though I wouldn't agree with such a decision--although actually if Griffin keeps up his pace I'd have no carp about him winning, whereas curry blasting through Elon and The Citadel does little for me.
 
#95
#95
hatvol96 said:
Guilford
James Madison
Winthrop
Florida Atlantic
Loyola of Maryland.

I guess the scheduling of those games was out of Davidson's hands.
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Tennessee Martin
UNC Asheville
Louisiana Lafayette
Chattanooga
Middle Tennessee

Those teams are included in the 20th toughest non-conference schedule, which is higher than all but two higher ranked teams. your point?
 
#97
#97
hatvol96 said:
The more interesting speculation is to imagine what kind of numbers Blake Griffin or James Harden would put up if they got a steady diet of College of Charleston and Elon.
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The more interesting speculation would be the likelihood Harden or Griffin would make grades to get into, much less be able to play at Davidson.
 
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#98
#98
lidderer said:
The respective conferences Griffn and Curry play in are ill-equipped to handle their unique talents, so I wouldn't be surprised if either of them take the POY, though I wouldn't agree with such a decision--although actually if Griffin keeps up his pace I'd have no carp about him winning, whereas curry blasting through Elon and The Citadel does little for me.
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Remind me - how many did he put up against Griffin's team on Griffin's team's homecourt?

Note from the beginning of this thread I've given Griffin the nod and believe he's the most physically gifted player in the NCAAs. Some have made it their life mission to destroy Curry and the program he plays for, so I'm simply taking his defense as any sane basketball fan (like, say, LeBron James) would.

BTW, FG% is a silly stat to use to compare a 6'3" jump shooting guard with a 6'8" post player.
 
#99
#99
lidderer said:
Harden's early season slate wasn't really much to brag about, and is probably on par with davidson's.

Harden shot 63%, 63%, 56%, 70%, 52%, 60%, 60%, 58% in 7 games against the likes of UTEP, pepperdine, charlotte, Idaho state, c. conn, etc.--all of which teams are probably even better than what curry faces.
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ASU's non-conference SOS is 192. Davidson's is 21.
 
#100
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TennNC said:
ASU's non-conference SOS is 192. Davidson's is 21.
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I think you missed the point where hat wondered what kind of numbers harden would post against a steady stream of weak opponents, ie Davidson's overall schedule, which, natch, features 25 games against teams ranked below 100th; Arizona state's: 11.

Great, he played purdue, duke, west va, and oklahoma, good for him. Next best team on that list is...NC State.

Next best after that? College of Charleston. I am not even kidding.
 
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