NCAA proposing new rules to allow schools to pay athletes directly

[turbovol]

Absolutely No to re-regulation of any sort by the NCAA in football. All they do is empower a cheat-with-impunity class of privileged teams. The most corrupt programs absolutely hate the new NIL "wild west" precisely because it removes the possibility of subjecting the rivals of the cheat-with-impunity clique to rules the greatest cheaters scoff at.

Football needs to end all involvement with the corrupt and corrupting NCAA. They don't run the football playoffs. We don't need that politburo of university administrators pretending to be competent, or just, or honest.

If baseball and basketball want to find a new way to organize their tournaments, feel free to join the party and likewise tell the NCAA to suck it.

Your comment is crazy. The NCAA is not corrupt in any way. The NCAA doesn't have the investigative manpower to chase down all the cheaters in college football. Nobody would. The FBI couldn't do it.

Who the hell do you think is going to enforce the rules that the Tier One colleges set for themselves? Let me answer: Nobody! There will be rampant cheating by everybody.

The boosters have always been a major problem--rich men who've got nothing better to do than be so obsessed with college football games that they cheat and throw money at players and recruits--or, now, NIL.

This proposal to knock boosters out of the payment scheme IS a good idea--but just giving cash to players is absurd.

 

[volfeeva]

Was it loyalty back then? Or was it forced?

I'm not saying it's "better" now, but back then the rules controlling player transfer were extremely prohibitive to the the player. You sign a letter of intent and that's your school. If you want to transfer it can be blocked and you have to sit out for a year. After that you're stuck. Was there actual loyalty when there wasn't really any other option?

sitting out a year is not the end of the world and it was a small roadblock to the wild west we have today where it's a bidding war by the top schools for the best players. They could have put in a rules that allow a waiver to sitting out a year if a coach gets fired or quits. They could tweak it better than what we wound up with today.

 

[hUTch2002]

Exactly. Where comes this notion that student-athletes are put upon? They're privileged! They're getting full, four-year scholarships that every student in America would kill for! Money, commercialism, TV, greed--they've ruined major college sports. There's no /college/ in it anymore, really.

I'm shocked you're not into free handouts for everyone based on your posts in the PF.

 

[volfeeva]

So much for amateur athletics.. Semi-Pro now.. Wonder how long before the high schools get involved??

GO VOLS!!!

I thought the same thing because every argument for paying college players could very well apply to high school players as well.

 

[butchna]

Title IX makes this proposal untenable.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

A couple of the court decisions seem ludicrous. A college is not a private business. UT is a state institution, not a private business. How can full-time students be "employees"? It's stupid. There is this myth that the big football programs are rolling in money at the expensive of the players. It's nonsense. Most athletic departments lose money. The big programs do bring in a ton of money--and it all gets reinvested in the football program and every other program that the AD funds--all but basketball money losers.

What the big programs SHOULD have started doing years ago--and the could start now: Is giving a percentage of their revenues to the academic side of the university. That might help with some of this legal stuff.

The college does employee a lot of professionals in several capacities, as does the state of TN. An easy example is professors, of course, but also coaches. Those are professional positions.

An athlete is just another possible employee UT could hire to support their athletics business which hires trainers, admin staff, an athletic director, etc, etc. Given the size of the athletic department at UT, hiring pro athletes makes sense. It's a big, multi-million dollar business.

The fact that not all athletic departments make money has nothing to do with whether they are a business or not. Lots of businesses don't make money. Twitter hasn't made a profit yet. It's obviously a business.

As for athlete compensation, within days of NIL becoming NCAA approved, some athletes became millionaires. Your suggestion that "the scholarship is enough compensation" has been wrong for decades because of "bag money" but it's proven wrong out in the open now. Some coach openly said the other day, "a good portal QB costs between $1-2million in NIL." So if the scholarship is enough, why is there a market for good QBs to become millionaires? The market proves the scholarship isn't enough compensation for a good QB.

The problem is: big-time college football IS a business. The schools have underpaid athletes per the real market value except via "bag money" for decades. The courts had had enough of the schools insisting "tradition means our sport is amateur no matter how much money we make." The NCAA should've gotten ahead of this in the Reggie Bush era but didn't.

College athletics is now screwed because the courts aren't going to let a business exist in America without paying the employees the market value.

 

[uncle chewii]

I hope not because now it will be the minor league of the nfl and put boosters in more control because they can withhold money as a way to control who they want in coaching and players. If it does pass the need to put a cap limit on it.

 

[BruisedOrange]

This is simply getting $$$$$ to women, nothing more , nothing less

If schools start giving money to coeds who don't put out
100% effort... that's gonna raise some accusatory questions.

I mean, if you're not hustling, does that mean you are hustling?

 

[Aladywhovolunteer]

I read the article. Devil is in the details which have not been fleshed out yet.
However, this is the first meaningful initiative the NCAA has proposed in a very long time. This is an attempt by the NCAA to get control of NIL and get away from non-regulated NIL collectives.

Charlie Baker former governor of the state of Massachusetts, who is the NCAA head has asked Congress to pass legislation to help managed all that is NIL. Senators Manchin and Tuberville have been working the issue with out solution.

This is also an attempt by the NCAA to get in front of the number of lawsuits that have been filed and are pending filing from former student athletes asking for NIL money retroactively, ect. Also, there is the constant request by student athletes to be allowed to unionize and be treated as employees and paid from atheletic revenue. The NCAA has been passive and not relevant in so many major issue as their model of amuterism is being dismantled in the Judiciary. At least Baker has made a proposal. Let's see where it goes.

 

[Orange.]

Sports cannot be cut as easy because of Title 9 rules, they have to keep balance. Have to keep enough female sports to help with the 80 males on football rosters.

That is some first-class dead-pan sarcasm right there. Those 80 guys would never make it without the others' "help" or extreme selfless generosity.

 

[Probably_in_Class]

That's not the way it will work under this proposal.

With some minor tweaks to how I described it, I fail to see how the proposal is different than what I just said. $30,000 per athlete, minimum. Spend it how you like. Even split men vs women on the spend, similar to scholarships. Do you want to argue over hypothetical semantics or would you like to make an actual point?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Oh Boy. Huge ramifications.

This will cause sports to be cut within programs.

Now University employees requiring full benefits

WAGE laws since they are no longer amateur Athletes

Oh boy, I could go on but being administered by school with no cap, for all those unhappy with NIL, this is full out pro sports

Wonder if ticket costs will go up, LOL

I won't directly affect NIL since those are endorsement deals from a third party.

 

[ftsandersvol]

@DeerPark12 , what are your thoughts on this? You know legal stuff.

I’m not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. So…

 

[ftsandersvol]

Before NIL, coaches had to manage the egos of 18-21 year old college athletes. Now coaches have to manage the egos of 18-21 year old rich college athletes. I don’t envy them at all.

 

[hog88]

With some minor tweaks to how I described it, I fail to see how the proposal is different than what I just said. $30,000 per athlete, minimum. Spend it how you like. Even split men vs women on the spend, similar to scholarships. Do you want to argue over hypothetical semantics or would you like to make an actual point?

The NIL money will still be coming from donors they just won't be donating to a collective anymore, it will be donated directly to the university. None of these schools will be taking money from their TV deals, tickets, annual contributions for the privilege to buy tickets, concessions or conference distributions and using it for NIL. The NIL money will still be donations but the school will control how it's spent and IMO that is a recipe for disaster. At least now the money donated to collectives actually goes to the athletes (minus expenses of course) but once college administrators get their hands on it what controls will there be on how it's spent?

 

[Orange.]

Title IX makes this proposal untenable.

Ahoy there! Intelligent life spotted!

It's a Trojan Horse. But so many people are idiots it will likely succeed, and then the same idiots will support Congress intervening.

I haven't noticed that lack of NCAA oversight of NIL was a problem in the least this year. Have you? The alleged "wild west" appears to me, at least, to be the least-worst option.

The NCAA supports two of the most crooked rule breakers in history in Bama and Michigan and refuses to act in the face of overwhelming evidence. So what do they propose to do except unjustly punish teams without privileged immunity to rules?

Having fun on the trip. Be back soon.

 

[KnoxVegas]

Title IX makes this proposal untenable.

The minimum is $30k, which under title IX, is provided equally amongst women/men athletes.

It’s fairly established that QB’s are getting $1M+, so under this proposal, would the school then have to pay a female the same amount? True halfsies for every dollar withdrawn from the trust?

If so, this proposal won’t make it very far.

 

[SpookyAction]

Title IX says all sports thank you. That is why we have women’s soccer but no men’s soccer for example and for those that hate soccer fill in the sport name.

The NCAA themselves is only proposing paying players in certain sports.

Waiting to hear the plan.

 

[butchna]

The minimum is $30k, which under title IX, is provided equally amongst women/men athletes.

It’s fairly established that QB’s are getting $1M+, so under this proposal, would the school then have to pay a female the same amount? True halfsies for every dollar withdrawn from the trust?

If so, this proposal won’t make it very far.

Just waiting for women’s basketball players to demand the same NIL as quarterbacks. See World Cup.

 

[Swiftybaby]

Fine, then let the student also pay for their education out of that money.

I had to work while I attended school to PAY for my education.

Were you a d1 athlete making the school money with your back?

 

[Dadof2Vols]

The NCAA themselves is only proposing paying players in certain sports.
If it wouldn't fly with Title IX why the NCAA propose it?

If you pay 30k to 200 men’s players you have to pay 200 women’s players 30k according to article. So must be equal.

 

[Fightmaker]

UT had one of, if not the best, NIL program in the country. This will hurt us more than it will help. Our getting out in front of NIL, and establishing the foundation that we did, will be null and void. They are hoping to do what Major League Baseball did. Do you know that the Yankees have to to share their ad revenue with smaller market teams? That’s what I think they want to achieve with this.

 

[DuckInAPen]

The rub is the revenue required to upkeep and run those facilities goes away with the team leaving.

Does it? I'd wager that the amateur collegiate team would retain the loyalty of a greater portion of the fanbase than a spun-off minor league football team would. Perhaps, though, I'm too idealistic.

 

[Orange.]

"Since it's only 30k who cares? So, OK." Then the NCAA criminals and grifters are back in control, playing friends and enemies. That's what I mean by Trojan Horse. But I suppose you can read into a post the three or four steps omitted for economy's sake.

I have someone over here stalking me with the earth-shattering scoop that the NCAA comprises [corrupt, grifting] school administrators. As if that meant if I want to keep the NIL out of their clutches, I am for a corporate spinoff college football.

Sun's coming up. Going to get some green curry, my friend.

Non-regulated collectives. LFG!

 

[volfan102455]

I can't say I am fully in favor of student athletes becoming professionals, but the legal argument against paying them a wage or salary is not strong.


Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote a separate concurring opinion where he argues that “the NCAA’s remaining compensation rules also raise serious questions under the antitrust laws."
“The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America.” Among other things, the NCAA “controls the market for college athletes;” it “concedes that its compensation rules set the price of student athlete labor at a below-market rate”; and it “recognizes that student athletes currently have no meaningful ability to negotiate with the NCAA over the compensation rules.”

That is a shot across the bow of the NCAA , and a signal to student-athletes that they should consider filing a new lawsuit challenging the NCAA’s remaining restrictions on compensation.

And that is how we are here.

Then what next? Change the NCAA controls to TSSAA (for Tennessee - insert any state in here) and this transcends down to high school. Once that is done, take it down to the middle schools and the various sporting leagues for the youth in every community. So anytime anyone plays a sport, someone has to pay them. And what about the band members - they get paid too? And the cheerleaders and mascots? Them too?

Here is the deal, once the athlete becomes an employee, they can be fired and in some states that is "at will" without a reason, with both the money and the chance to obtain an education pulled out from under them.

Let them be employees and let them EARN their keep, which implies - sit on the bench - no money. Team loses too many games - folks stop coming to games, layoffs and reductions in salary.

I could see a lot of schools and coaches walking away from sports. Pretty soon we will not need a CFP, because the teams left standing can just play each other in the regular season and let that decide who is best.