NCAA Regionals hosted by the Lady Vols Softball Team

#251
#251
The Dog said:
Some of these series start on saturday and thursday. I maybe wrong about the host always being home the 1st game. But, I know for a fact it either alternates or they flip a coin. Just because u are the host does not mean u are always the home team
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Nope I would never say you were wrong at all but I was looking at other matchups and nothing real consistant.
 
#253
#253
Sorry no luck, but for some reason, the home team changes from game to game, whether u are the host or not. I thought I was right, with the host being the home team the 1st game, but apparently not
 
#255
#255
The Dog said:
Sorry no luck, but for some reason, the home team changes from game to game, whether u are the host or not. I thought I was right, with the host being the home team the 1st game, but apparently not
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Thanks as I went to the 64 team tournament bracket it appeared that the number one team Florida was home today as well as yesterday, others did as well as the just completed ole miss and az state. No big deal!
 
#256
#256
I just saw a replay of the call at home plate in the 1st inning. It is very obvious what happened. The umpire got caught up looking at Seggern making the tag, and then dropping the ball, and stopped watching the play. In his excitement about the dropped ball he called her safe--but failed to see that she didn't come within two feet of touching home plate. So his first mistake was not following the play to its conclusion. His second--and bigger mistake--was not asking for help from one of the other umpires. They might have been able to tell him that the usc player failed to touch the plate. He apparently didn't do that--why, I'm not sure. He apparently reasoned that because he did not see whether she had touched the plate or not, he would stick with his original call. He should have asked for help. What's crazy is that the umpires apparently conferred on the Gregg throw to first earlier in the inning. The runner was initially called out--but Vines was clearly off the bag, and after conferring the umpires changed the call to safe and got it right. Why didn't they do the same thing with the call at the plate? Who knows--incompetence. You HAVE to ask for help there.

Seggern made TWO fundamental mistakes on that play. First, after running a step or two toward home she should have throw the ball to Lockman--and then let Lockman drive her back toward 3rd base, as SEC pointed out. Always push the runner toward the original bag before tagging her. Second, you never tag a runner with the ball in your hand. You put it in your glove and apply the tag, precisely because you will not drop or lose the ball if it is in the glove.

After the Leach home run, the usc coach came out of his dugout and seemed to be complaining to Ralph about something. He was standing next to Ralph in the 3rd base coaching box. Very unusual. I wonder what it was. That guy practically imploded after we took the lead--he was trying to be calm but clearly would have preferred to pull his hair out or start beating on the dugout wall with a hammer. He was funny.

The announcer was funny on the Leach home run. She forgot we were the visiting team and is yelling that we had a walkoff victory--and you can tell he realizes her mistake just as the last syllable is coming out of her mouth. She tried to stop just as the last word was escaping....Understandable mistake, really, since it is rare to have a home team play as the visitor.

Leach is a cool customer. The Weeklys need to spend a week with all our hitters except the top four working on hitting the ball the opposite way. It is a big key to becoming a better hitter.
 
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#258
#258
sccshortstop said:
Did not happen in the Alabama game with Minnesota or ole misss and Arizona state or auburn and cal . Florida regional or Kentucky or florida state or Arizona. Not sure about any others at this time. Ucla was visitor in their 2nd game.
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It's a complicated formula that they explained on one of the other games I was watching. Apparently, if OSU had won and it was the 1 vs. 2, then we would have been the home team. Since the 3 won, somehow they were the home team. It's way more complicated than it needs to be. The top 16 seeds have earned it, they should be the home team the whole Regional.
 
#259
#259
armchair said:
I just saw a replay of the call at home plate in the 1st inning. It is very obvious what happened. The umpire got caught up looking at Seggern making the tag, and then dropping the ball, and stopped watching the play. In his excitement about the dropped ball he called her safe--but failed to see that she didn't come within two feet of touching home plate. So his first mistake was not following the play to its conclusion. His second--and bigger mistake--was not asking for help from one of the other umpires. They might have been able to tell him that the usc player failed to touch the plate. He apparently didn't do that--why, I'm not sure. He apparently reasoned that because he did not see whether she had touched the plate or not, he would stick with his original call. He should have asked for help. What's crazy is that the umpires apparently conferred on the Gregg throw to first earlier in the inning. The runner was initially called out--but Vines was clearly off the bag, and after conferring the umpires changed the call to safe and got it right. Why didn't they do the same thing with the call at the plate? Who knows--incompetence. You HAVE to ask for help there.

After the Leach home run, the usc coach came out of his dugout and seemed to be complaining to Ralph about something. He was standing next to Ralph in the 3rd base coaching box. Very unusual. I wonder what it was. That guy practically imploded after we took the lead--he was trying to be calm but clearly would have preferred to pull his hair out or start beating on the dugout wall with a hammer. He was funny.

The announcer was funny on the Leach home run. She forgot we were the visiting team and is yelling that we had a walkoff victory--and you can tell he realizes her mistake just as the last syllable is coming out of her mouth. She tried to stop just as the last word was escaping....Understandable mistake, really, since it is rare to have a home team play as the visitor.

Leach is a cool customer. The Weeklys need to spend a week with all our hitters except the top four working on hitting the ball the opposite way. It is a big key to becoming a better hitter.
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Actually the home ump did huddle with the others but they seemed to indicate they were involved with their bases and did not see the play.

As I have said to you before Leach is a sponge around Karen and she knows the game well. One of my favorites as well. I would love for her to drive the ball more especially when the infield is standing on top of her.
 
#260
#260
The Dog said:
Sorry no luck, but for some reason, the home team changes from game to game, whether u are the host or not. I thought I was right, with the host being the home team the 1st game, but apparently not
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The home/away is based on seed in the first game, then a complicated formula after that. It has changed in recent years, it was based on a coin flip for a long time.

In the super Regional, the host is home in game one, visitor in game two, then a coin flip for game three.
 
#261
#261
I stand corrected if the umps did confer. I watched a replay of the game broadcast and there was no shot of the umps conferring and I don't think the announcers said anything about a conference either. If the other umps did not see what happened at the plate, then it is hard for the home plate ump to change his original, mistaken call, because he didn't see it. He just made the call prematurely. I'm not sure how he could have missed the usc player missing the plate as she didn't even come close. Oh, well.
 
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#262
#262
DeerPark12 said:
It's a complicated formula that they explained on one of the other games I was watching. Apparently, if OSU had won and it was the 1 vs. 2, then we would have been the home team. Since the 3 won, somehow they were the home team. It's way more complicated than it needs to be. The top 16 seeds have earned it, they should be the home team the whole Regional.
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Yes sir, way too complicated, but thanks
 
#263
#263
DeerPark12 said:
It's a complicated formula that they explained on one of the other games I was watching. Apparently, if OSU had won and it was the 1 vs. 2, then we would have been the home team. Since the 3 won, somehow they were the home team. It's way more complicated than it needs to be. The top 16 seeds have earned it, they should be the home team the whole Regional.
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Thank you very much. It was driving me crazy and I agree why the heck penalize the seeded teams.
 
#266
#266
armchair said:
I just saw a replay of the call at home plate in the 1st inning. It is very obvious what happened. The umpire got caught up looking at Seggern making the tag, and then dropping the ball, and stopped watching the play. In his excitement about the dropped ball he called her safe--but failed to see that she didn't come within two feet of touching home plate. So his first mistake was not following the play to its conclusion. His second--and bigger mistake--was not asking for help from one of the other umpires. They might have been able to tell him that the usc player failed to touch the plate. He apparently didn't do that--why, I'm not sure. He apparently reasoned that because he did not see whether she had touched the plate or not, he would stick with his original call. He should have asked for help. What's crazy is that the umpires apparently conferred on the Gregg throw to first earlier in the inning. The runner was initially called out--but Vines was clearly off the bag, and after conferring the umpires changed the call to safe and got it right. Why didn't they do the same thing with the call at the plate? Who knows--incompetence. You HAVE to ask for help there.

Seggern made TWO fundamental mistakes on that play. First, after running a step or two toward home she should have throw the ball to Lockman--and then let Lockman drive her back toward 3rd base, as SEC pointed out. Always push the runner toward the original bag before tagging her. Second, you never tag a runner with the ball in your hand. You put it in your glove and apply the tag, precisely because you will not drop or lose the ball if it is in the glove.

After the Leach home run, the usc coach came out of his dugout and seemed to be complaining to Ralph about something. He was standing next to Ralph in the 3rd base coaching box. Very unusual. I wonder what it was. That guy practically imploded after we took the lead--he was trying to be calm but clearly would have preferred to pull his hair out or start beating on the dugout wall with a hammer. He was funny.

The announcer was funny on the Leach home run. She forgot we were the visiting team and is yelling that we had a walkoff victory--and you can tell he realizes her mistake just as the last syllable is coming out of her mouth. She tried to stop just as the last word was escaping....Understandable mistake, really, since it is rare to have a home team play as the visitor.

Leach is a cool customer. The Weeklys need to spend a week with all our hitters except the top four working on hitting the ball the opposite way. It is a big key to becoming a better hitter.
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Any way you look at it, that was a HORRIBLE call.
 
#267
#267
You think we had a tough day until the 7th? Oklahoma not only lost today to North Dakota State but got no-hit. NDS has a losing record for the year! I also hear that both Minnesota and California got screwed by terrible home-plate umpiring decisions. What a surprise--visitors are never treated well in alybamy.
 
#268
#268
armchair said:
You think we had a tough day until the 7th? Oklahoma not only lost today to North Dakota State but got no-hit. NDS has a losing record for the year! I also hear that both Minnesota and California got screwed by terrible home-plate umpiring decisions. What a surprise--visitors are never treated well in alybamy.
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I despise Alabama but I watched most all the game because I wanted to see Minnesota play. They are a very good team but would not have been seeded very high if they were in our league. Good pitching and good looking defense but Osoria pretty much had her way with them. I really did not think the pitch that was called a ball was a strike. It certainly was a pitch that the batter should and could have swung at. Did not see the Cal game so cant comment on that.:thud:
 
#269
#269
armchair said:
You think we had a tough day until the 7th? Oklahoma not only lost today to North Dakota State but got no-hit. NDS has a losing record for the year! I also hear that both Minnesota and California got screwed by terrible home-plate umpiring decisions. What a surprise--visitors are never treated well in alybamy.
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No they got 7 hits...they lost 3-2 in 9..Gamecenter didn't update
 
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#270
#270
Home and away teams. As DeerPark said take a look at this jargon!

Section 6•2 Determination Home/Away Teams

For all regional and super regional competition, the home team shall occupy the third base dugout, warm-up first and select the color of the uniform jersey. The visiting team must wear a contrasting uniform jersey. The committee or its designee will resolve any conflict in the selection of uniforms. As a reminder, when teams play back-to-back games, they must be prepared to change uniforms, if necessary. By mutual agreement of the participating teams, teams playing back-to-back games may agree to stay in the same uniform color. Determination of uniform colors must be approved by the NCAA representative. Noncompliance with this policy may result in misconduct as outlined in the DI Softball Prechampionship Manual.

Regionals. The home team for the first round of regionals and super regionals will be the higher-seeded team. In subsequent games, the home team shall be determined according to the following formula:

1. The games committee shall designate as home team the institution that has been home team the fewest times (regionals and finals are considered separately).

2. If two teams have been home team an equal number of times but visiting team an unequal number of times, the team that has been the visitor most often shall be designated as home team.

3. If two teams have been both home team and visiting team an equal number of times, and if the two teams previously met, the visitor in the initial game shall be the home team in the second game.

4. If games between the same teams are back to back, the home teams shall be the visitor in the previous game regardless of the number of times either team have been home or visitors.

5. If two teams have been both home team and visiting team an equal number of times, the team that was the visitor in its preceding game shall be the home team, unless both teams were the visitor in their preceding games.

6. If the preceding formula does not prevail, the higher seeded team shall have the choice of being home team or visitors.

7. When teams play back-to-back games, they must be prepared to change uniforms and dugouts, if necessary.

Super Regionals. The home team for the first game will be the higher-seeded team. The second game will be the lower seeded team and the third game (if necessary) shall be the higher seeded team.
 
#271
#271
Yikes-- unranked Longwood eliminates OSU. I'd much rather play Longwood again tomorrow-- but what are the odds.
 
#274
#274
I disagree on the rundown play. Never make an extra throw when you can tag the runner yourself. You are 50 times more likely to make a bad throw than you are to drop the ball as you tag. That was a fluke and Seggern made the correct play as soon as she saw she would catch the runner. If she hadn't dropped the ball OR if the ump had been watching the play instead of scratching his butt we'd have gotten out of the inning with no runs. The next batter flied out, which would have been the 3rd out.
 
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