Need a New OC/Spread Sucks

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fall2hb86 said:
I can't believe that we still have fans that have not learned from these last few years..U can't keep changing coaches and your system every other year and win...One main reason that Dooley's teams were as bad as they were, was because each year our guys had different position coaches..For too long i was under the impression that our fan base was not like UK basketball fans, which is delusional, but boy, was i wrong
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Did you even take the time or read anything in this thread?
 
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This "gimmick" offense will be seen more and more in the pros now that Philly is having success with it. The problem most of you have with it is that you think it's "soft". It's not. You will see as CBJ gets in playmakers that can help utilize it, that it can be incredibly effective. I'm as old school as it gets when it comes to the game, but why would you not want to run a read type offense that requires defenses to fully account for each potential of the ball. It opens the field for skilled players and allows you to more easily exploit weaknesses. As for saban, he has eaten everybody's lunch and it doesn't matter what type of offense you run. Let's just hold judgement until we see what CBJ can do with it.
 
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FalcoVol said:
Where did I say the system doesn't work?
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Because you believe you can only "win big" with this system if you have an "elite quarterback.

Which not only implies that you believe the system doesn't work, but it also implies that you don't consider what Auburn, Missiouri, and Baylor have done this year to be "winning big".
 
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Freak said:
People who think this "gimmick" offense can't work aren't paying attention.
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But isn't it fair to say you must have specific athletes to run it? Athletes we frankly don't have, including a mobile QB? I'm more interested in running offensive systems that fit our personnel instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Dobbs and Ferguson are both athletic, but nothing on par with what Auburn is putting out there. I truly hope Butch gets the players he needs for his system, but shouldn't a coaching staff tailor it's schemes to it players. I really think running a more traditional set, yes maybe a I formation, would have been an easier transition until he does so.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Because you believe you can only "win big" with this system if you have an "elite quarterback.

Which not only implies that you believe the system doesn't work, but it also implies that you don't consider what Auburn, Missiouri, and Baylor have done this year to be "winning big".
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What is winning big to you?

How does it "imply" the system doesn't work?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Auburn just wanted to remind everyone that the spread offense doesn't work in the SEC, and that we need a pro style quarterback so we can run the I formation.

O and Nick Saban loves going against spread teams! He eats them for dinner!

And yes, I did start drinking before noon. Go vols!
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Yeah that's what we need to change OC coaches again. I heard this morning Tennessee has has like 40 coaches in the last 4 years (head coach ,OC and DC, O-line and D-line special teams coaches). And you can't figure out why these kids can't play the offense or defense that they are suppose to. We just need some play makers on both side of the ball then we will be ok. No more coach changes of any kind.
 
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CA_Vol said:
But isn't it fair to say you must have specific athletes to run it? Athletes we frankly don't have, including a mobile QB? I'm more interested in running offensive systems that fit our personnel instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Dobbs and Ferguson are both athletic, but nothing on par with what Auburn is putting out there. I truly hope Butch gets the players he needs for his system, but shouldn't a coaching staff tailor it's schemes to it players. I really think running a more traditional set, yes maybe a I formation, would have been an easier transition until he does so.
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Have you ever considered that we don't have the type of athlete this systems requires, because we've never recruited for this system? Perhaps we don't have athletic qb's because we never ran a system that used one?

I find that to be more likely than the idea that Baylor, Missuouri, and USCjr are all more attractive locations for a quarterback.
 
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I agree. Our best bet at having success in 2014 is obviously to implement a new system and make our players learn a new offense!
 
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FalcoVol said:
What is winning big to you?

How does it "imply" the system doesn't work?
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Auburn and Missiouri are in the SECCG. I think winning the SEC equals "winning big".

Baylor is 10-1 and a top 5-10 team. Do you even watch college football?
 
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When are people going to realize that there isn't a "pro style" QB anymore...for God's sake they don't even refer to them as that anymore in the recruiting services anymore. They are either "pocket passers" or "dual threat."

The spread works. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers would remind you of this.
 
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rickyyrs said:
Yeah that's what we need to change OC coaches again. I heard this morning Tennessee has has like 40 coaches in the last 4 years (head coach ,OC and DC, O-line and D-line special teams coaches). And you can't figure out why these kids can't play the offense or defense that they are suppose to. We just need some play makers on both side of the ball then we will be ok. No more coach changes of any kind.
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There was a lot of sarcasm in my OP.
 
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CA_Vol said:
But isn't it fair to say you must have specific athletes to run it? Athletes we frankly don't have, including a mobile QB? I'm more interested in running offensive systems that fit our personnel instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Dobbs and Ferguson are both athletic, but nothing on par with what Auburn is putting out there. I truly hope Butch gets the players he needs for his system, but shouldn't a coaching staff tailor it's schemes to it players. I really think running a more traditional set, yes maybe a I formation, would have been an easier transition until he does so.
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Do I think we have the ideal personnel for this system? No. But whether Butch should have changed his system for one year is another debate. I don't think our run game would have been any more effective from an I formation nor do I believe our quarterbacks would have been any more efficient.
 
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Freak said:
Do I think we have the ideal personnel for this system? No. But whether Butch should have changed his system for one year is another debate. I don't think our run game would have been any more effective from an I formation nor do I believe our quarterbacks would have been any more efficient.
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I agree with this.
 
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A head coach changing his system for one year while he recruits his players is career suicide IMO. You must immediately begin to imprint your philosophy.
 
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