New Arizona Immigration Law

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Cash Vallin said:
i bet it gets shot down in the courts.. want to take me up on it, lol
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The only way it could really get shot down if it was voted upon by judges who don't read the bill, and just listen to liberals whining about how this is equivalent to Germany asking for documentation.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
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Bush had 8 years and did nothing... Somehow, let me guess, that's the democrats fault too.
REPUBLICAN John McCain has had a half century to do it. Point being, this is both parties problems
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That's not a point. That means they're clowns too. The Rs are pandering to the businesses that clamor for the cheap labor and the Dems are buying votes. Both suck.
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Cash Vallin said:
Forcing a legal hispanic citizen to always have proof they're here legally, while all others don't have the same issue isn't illegal to you????

THAT'S the arguement against it. Of course, you don't like it since it you know you'll never be asked to prove you're a citizen
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That's a moronic argument. Any of them that have papers will be allowed to prove themselves. Don't be so dense.
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Cash Vallin said:
do you have this documentation on you 100 percent of the time... unlikely... i know i don't... i don't even have my license on me at all times.
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You don't have to. The bill provides that a driver's license is sufficient to prove citizenship. It does not say that NOT having a license is sufficient to prove lack of citizenship. Subtle distinction that makes a big difference.
 
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One of the first things officers will do if they suspect you are up to no good is ask you for identification, if you have no ID they can then take you in until you can be identified, at least this is the way I understand it to work. It applies to everybody, I'm sure someone will let me know if I'm wrong.
 
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KB5252 said:
One of the first things officers will do if they suspect you are up to no good is ask you for identification, if you have no ID they can then take you in until you can be identified, at least this is the way I understand it to work. It applies to everybody, I'm sure someone will let me know if I'm wrong.
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They won't be able to arrest someone just for not having an ID in possession unless that person is doing something like driving (a situation where possession of a license is required). The only way they can arrest someone on the street who doesn't have an ID, is if the police have probable cause to believe that person without identification is an illegal (Not having an ID doesn't necessarily establish that probable cause, but would be sufficient to rebut it).
 
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paul1454 said:
They won't be able to arrest someone just for not having an ID in possession unless that person is doing something like driving (a situation where possession of a license is required). The only way they can arrest someone on the street who doesn't have an ID, is if the police have probable cause to believe that person without identification is an illegal (Not having an ID doesn't necessarily establish that probable cause, but would be sufficient to rebut it).
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I mean for any citizen, if you have no ID and refuse to give a name that comes back as valid the police can take anyone in for further identification given they believe you are up to some type of criminal activity can't they?
 
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KB5252 said:
I mean for any citizen, if you have no ID and refuse to give a name that comes back as valid the police can take anyone in for further identification given they believe you are up to some type of criminal activity can't they?
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It depends on the state and the crime. In many states, the police officer has to observe you committing a misdemeanor or have reasonable belief that you committed a felony.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
do you have this documentation on you 100 percent of the time... unlikely... i know i don't... i don't even have my license on me at all times.
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Actually, yes, I have some form of identification on me at all times.

But it doesn't matter anyway, because I am here legally and I am not breaking any laws.

Like I said before, maybe there is an equal protection argument here somewhere, but at it's base, I'm not so sure there is anything illegal about this law.

The illegal immigrants, Sharpton, Jackson, etc...have to appeal to emotional responses and racism charges, because there is no other recourse to fight this thing when there is nothing legitimately illegal about the law and 70% support it.

Even Obama himself said he was worried this would work against baisc notions of "fairness". Well, that's nice, but nobody said life was fair and as long as no consitutional rights are being infringed upon (which really shouldn't apply to people here illegally anyway) then everyone needs to STFU and find a legitimate legal argument to fight this thing. If there is one, fine, but this racism, emotional nonsense is utter garbage.
 
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rjd970 said:
Actually, yes, I have some form of identification on me at all times.

But it doesn't matter anyway, because I am here legally and I am not breaking any laws.

Like I said before, maybe there is an equal protection argument here somewhere, but at it's base, I'm not so sure there is anything illegal about this law.

The illegal immigrants, Sharpton, Jackson, etc...have to appeal to emotional responses and racism charges, because there is no other recourse to fight this thing when there is nothing legitimately illegal about the law and 70% support it.

Even Obama himself said he was worried this would work against baisc notions of "fairness". Well, that's nice, but nobody said life was fair and as long as no consitutional rights are being infringed upon (which really shouldn't apply to people here illegally anyway) then everyone needs to STFU and find a legitimate legal argument to fight this thing. If there is one, fine, but this racism, emotional nonsense is utter garbage.
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they want these people to stay in this country and become legal citizens. arguing there is any other motive is ridiculous.
 
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If our federal government would quit pandering and actually enforce the laws this wouldn't be an issue, yet here we have a state that is on the actual front lines dealing with the problems illegal immigration brings and actually decided to step in and do what the federal government has neglected to do. The loons out there will tell you it is all about racism and a vendetta against Hispanic people but the reality is their state is suffering and they have been abandoned and failed by the federal government.

Granting amnesty the first time did nothing but reinforce the beliefs that the nation has no problem with people breaking our laws and lead us to this point, are we to expect the problems to do anything but get worse as evidenced by our last experience? There is an old saying that applies to situations like these, I'll give you a hint it has something to do with a moron and doing the same thing over again expecting a different result.
 
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Heard a good point today.....one of the few places that we are NOT asked for an ID is when we VOTE!

Kind of telling isn't it?
 
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flyfishinvol said:
I hope everyone in favor of this gets stopped and asked if they're Canadian tomorrow.
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Canadians, ehh?

I just dont think we have that many of our northern neighbors crossing the borders at night, in hopes of collecting a job picking fruit and laying bricks.

Just dont see that happening much
 
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droski said:
apparently some are arguing it will get declared unconstitutional? how is that possible?
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Not sure, maybe on the ground that the Supreme Court has held that the federal government has the power to regulate immigration. I would guess at least part of the argument against it would be that it encroaches on an area of law that has been preempted by federal law. On the other hand, maybe they are saying this would violate probable cause requirements or equal protection. Hard to say.
 
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I don't believe it's unconstitutional to enforce federal laws that are already on the books. The may try the probable cause route but the law appears to be very well written with that in mind
 
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