New Arizona Immigration Law

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KB5252 said:
Like it or not profiling works and is one of the best tools officers and officials can use to deter and solve crime. There is a fine line that needs to be constantly watched though, that much I'll agree with. In extraordinary circumstances there comes a time when civil rights themselves are threatened by those that will use this concept and right afforded Americans against us. I see no problem with a few extra questions or checking to see that all documentation is valid and legal.

I too grew up in Antioch, it never was a great place but 15 to 20 years ago it was much nicer and crime was much lower than it is now. Sure there are gangs and many of them are made up of legal citizens, on the other hand there are some like BP and MS 13 that are largely comprised of illegals or children of illegals and they add a whole new dynamic to the current problems there.

Profiling happens every day, it happened to me fairly regularly in Antioch when I was a teenager, the cops would pull you over for no reason other than you were a young male who was likely to be involved in some sort of criminal activity. Like it or not the cops have a tough job and getting every possibly weapon or gang member/criminal off the street is their aim. I don't think it should be any different with illegals, sure you may inconvenience some legal citizens but they should and probably will be more than happy to endure a few extra questions because there are so many going about it the wrong way and giving the law abiding citizens bad names.
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Gotta agree with this. Israeli airlines are statistically some of the safest in the world. I think a huge reason for this is because they profile extensively and loudly, without apology.
 
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heaven forbid the police question people who are breaking the law and in this country illegally.
 
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I know illegal immigration isn't the easiest of problems to tackle but the time has come, actually it has long since passed, that something be done or at the very least start moving toward a solution. The problem as I see it has been compounded over the years by both political parties, we have been way to lax on this issue for a variety of reasons too long to go into.

The problem has festered so long now that the easy solutions have passed us by. We need the cheap labor for sure and it has become a very lucrative and powerful base for politicians but eventually the negatives outweigh the benefits. I am not advocating the mass deportation of Hispanic people but it is time a message was sent, both to employers and immigrants that we are serious about controlling the flow into the US, if those signals are strong enough the problem will eventually work itself out.
 
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there is no question in my mind that we've reached a tipping point where there are ample illegals already available for low wage work and every additional one that crosses the border is a net drain on the economy and the country.
 
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A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that 60% of voters nationwide favor such a law, while 31% are opposed.

Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Republicans support the law along with 62% of voters not affiliated with either major party. Democratic voters are evenly divided on the measure.
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nationwide support?
 
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droski said:
there is no question in my mind that we've reached a tipping point where there are ample illegals already available for low wage work and every additional one that crosses the border is a net drain on the economy and the country.
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and when they legalize the 10-20 million illegals that are here, the question will be which way will they vote... if they vote for the D's, then we are in heap big trouble...
 
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Daddy Gee said:
and when they legalize the 10-20 million illegals that are here, the question will be which way will they vote... if they vote for the D's, then we are in heap big trouble...
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me thinks they might ask that question before legalizing them. :) "you're voting democrat? well, by all means.....welcome"
 
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The one thing I want absolutely no tolerance of whatsoever is the violent criminal aspect. If you are an "uninvited" foreign national on US soil that carries out a violent act you will be essentially labeled a terrorist and you've got basically no rights of any kind. And just so it doesn't sound like I'm carrying some sort of grudge against the latino population I don't care if the criminal in question is so white you have to wear sunglasses to look at him if you're here illegally and hurting US citizens you are simply expendable.
 
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KentheOrange said:
You are truly nuts. OklaVol needs to poke his head in here and explain what Oklahoma did, and over the objections of the feds.

Are you aware that there is a "safe cities" list that is provided to illegals as they start their trip to the U.S.? Everyone that is arrested in Irving, TX that cannot show their legal status is turned over to ICE. Irving got tired of being a favorite on the "safe city" list.

You keep railing against the AZ bill, yet you obviously have not read it and have no idea how these people will be identified.
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not sure how this is remotely related to my post of if mexicans have to prove their a legal citizen, than everybody that's arrested should have to prove it.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
the best reason yet to question all southern baptists
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So, you believe that the words of this single poster - who happens to be a Southern Baptist - serves as a proper reason to question all Southern Baptists?

But when your same "logic" is applied to other groups, you're against it?

Oh, I see. Its ok to use profiling to question those groups whom you oppose, but not those you favor.

You're a fool.
 
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Tenacious D said:
So, you believe that the words of this single poster - who happens to be a Southern Baptist - serves as a proper reason to question all Southern Baptists?

But when your same "logic" is applied to other groups, you're against it?

Oh, I see. Its ok to use profiling to question those groups whom you oppose, but not those you favor.

You're a fool.
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See Cash....even the people who are not SB think the same.
 
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isn't it amazing though, I pegged you to be Southern Baptist??? not really surprising with your narrow belief system though
 
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Tenacious D said:
So, you believe that the words of this single poster - who happens to be a Southern Baptist - serves as a proper reason to question all Southern Baptists?

But when your same "logic" is applied to other groups, you're against it?

Oh, I see. Its ok to use profiling to question those groups whom you oppose, but not those you favor.

You're a fool.
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you should be ok with my profiling of Southern baptists... you're doing it in Arizona with hispanics.... plus, what I was saying to T-town was just a dig at him. I don't judge groups based on individuals that think the world revolves around them
 
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Cash Vallin said:
isn't it amazing though, I pegged you to be Southern Baptist??? not really surprising with your narrow belief system though
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I have stated that I attend a SB church MANY times on here.....you fail again. The SB does not define me. Try again.
 
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