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What if Nick Saban leaves for the NFL?

Worse, what if he leaves for the NFL, one year into our new coach's contract?

Saban needs to stay put!
 
#527
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We were very mean to Phil and his family. We ripped asst's and everyone. I didn't. I agreed it was time for him to go, but wasn't classless about it. Im glad Majors was before the internet waves...that would have been brutal.

As for Saben. It's sad. Eventually his team may go 11-2, 10-3??? The Tide faithful will become discontent...Nick will retire from Alabama.
 
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#529
Nobody was mean to Fulmer--get real. He'd burned out years earlier and the program was sliding disastrously and he had no plan to fix it. Bill Walsh, the great 49ers coach, said that NFL coaches couldn't expect to be effective beyond 10 years--that was the limit. The same certainly holds true, generally, for college coaches. Beyond 10 years and coaches burn out, get stale, and the law of diminishing returns sets in. I fully believe it. Fulmer coached 17 years, I think. He was fried--doneski. Move on.
 
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armchair said:
Nobody was mean to Fulmer--get real. He'd burned out years earlier and the program was sliding disastrously and he had no plan to fix it. Bill Walsh, the great 49ers coach, said that NFL coaches couldn't expect to be effective beyond 10 years--that was the limit. The same certainly holds true, generally, for college coaches. Beyond 10 years and coaches burn out, get stale, and the law of diminishing returns sets in. I fully believe it. Fulmer coached 17 years, I think. He was fried--doneski. Move on.
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I see your point. But, I've always thought that an AD, with a set of nads, could've pulled Fulmer into his office and put a foot in his ass. "Get it together, fat boy, or pack your ****"!

I wonder if that would've flown with Phil?
 
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armchair said:
Nobody was mean to Fulmer--get real. He'd burned out years earlier and the program was sliding disastrously and he had no plan to fix it. Bill Walsh, the great 49ers coach, said that NFL coaches couldn't expect to be effective beyond 10 years--that was the limit. The same certainly holds true, generally, for college coaches. Beyond 10 years and coaches burn out, get stale, and the law of diminishing returns sets in. I fully believe it. Fulmer coached 17 years, I think. He was fried--doneski. Move on.
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Phil, Krispy Kreme Phil. Callin his wife names, saying he didnt know what he was doing? Yea, their were alot of Morons mean to Phil. Bill Walsh is right about the NFL. There are alot of quality coaches who have had 15 to 20 Good years at the College level. Two different beast altogether. I said, Phil was past his prime, It was time for him to go. But if your a coach who is thinking about applying for this job, don't think for a minute they don't look at how we treat are own.....Phil bleeds orange more than any of us. And he got kicked to the curb in a minute. That would make a qualified coach think twice?
 
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Unfortunately, the classless, condemning attitude many here showed toward Dooley has been very common. It could be a factor.

I was attacked for telling some of these jerks that if they continued they'd get the program they deserved. Constant harping about firing a coach or him not being up to THEIR standard.... namecalling... hyper criticism.... It DOES have an impact on how the program is perceived by EVERYONE outside of the fanbase.
 
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Neylandsmaxims said:
I see your point. But, I've always thought that an AD, with a set of nads, could've pulled Fulmer into his office and put a foot in his ass. "Get it together, fat boy, or pack your ****"!

I wonder if that would've flown with Phil?
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Fulmer had more political clout than Hamilton. He thought he was bullet proof.
 
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douglas67 said:
Phil, Krispy Kreme Phil. Callin his wife names, saying he didnt know what he was doing? Yea, their were alot of Morons mean to Phil. Bill Walsh is right about the NFL. There are alot of quality coaches who have had 15 to 20 Good years at the College level. Two different beast altogether. I said, Phil was past his prime, It was time for him to go. But if your a coach who is thinking about applying for this job, don't think for a minute they don't look at how we treat are own.....Phil bleeds orange more than any of us. And he got kicked to the curb in a minute. That would make a qualified coach think twice?
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That's triply true for successful coaches. Why would they--it's a tremendous gig. Even when things are deteriorating, it's rare for a coach to retire. A few do it--but most don't and so it becomes a problem if the AD and university feel a change is needed. The alternative would be that absurd situation at Pa. State, where joepa just decided that he was going to coach until he died and no one there had the rocks to challenge him. We see the result. Bowden wouldn't leave at Fla. State even though he was very old and the program had been mediocre for several years. If coaches won't retire, it can get ugly. I respect Hamilton for having the rocks to sack Fulmer--it had to be done. He just didn't find the right replacement--but it's a tough time to be rebuilding in the SEC; the league is absolutely loaded now.
 
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armchair said:
That's triply true for successful coaches. Why would they--it's a tremendous gig. Even when things are deteriorating, it's rare for a coach to retire. A few do it--but most don't and so it becomes a problem if the AD and university feel a change is needed. The alternative would be that absurd situation at Pa. State, where joepa just decided that he was going to coach until he died and no one there had the rocks to challenge him. We see the result. Bowden wouldn't leave at Fla. State even though he was very old and the program had been mediocre for several years. If coaches won't retire, it can get ugly. I respect Hamilton for having the rocks to sack Fulmer--it had to be done. He just didn't find the right replacement--but it's a tough time to be rebuilding in the SEC; the league is absolutely loaded now.
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TO ME IT WAS STILL A STUPID MISTAKE. Should have repromanded him first. Set him straight.
 
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douglas67 said:
Really??? Gruden has not coached forever!! Let Arkansas have him. They will overspend greatly and only get mixed results in the end. Don't think name recognition is going to help in the recruiting game. Saben, Miles, Muschamp, and Richt wont lay down cause Gruden is at Tennessee. We had the same problem after 08, everybody wanted the "rock star" coach, once we got him look what happen?

I like Dooley, taking over a program on January 15th is an unfair task to ask anyone to do. Having to follow a bonehead like Kiffen, made it worse. In the end, Derek was a great band-aid for this program. He brought class, ethics, moral standards, and good conduct to the program. It's a shame the SEC was just beyond his ability when it came to coaching....BUT, the new HC will transition into this position MUCH easier than Dooley did. Kudos to Derek and his family, I wish him the best of luck.

Laugh at my list if you will, But the Gentlemen that I am suggesting have won at places, where it is not easy to win football games. Schools that don't match the facilities, money, or budget that UT will be able to offer.

David Cutcliffe-This job should be his to turn down. You win at Mississippi and Duke you have earned your stripes.

Jim Grobe-You win at Ohio University and Wake Forest, Basketball schools, you deserve a shot at the top. He would be able to recruit with the best of them as well.

June Jones-Hawaii and SMU...yes I said SMU...He reserected a program from the DEAD. He is very familiar with the South, California and Texas....Huge bonus for recruiting.

Randy Edsall-Should have been offered the job instead of Kiffin. He has done well at Basketball rich schools UCONN and Maryland.

Art Briles-Baylor is a good football team in a State where it is difficult to turn heads. He has done it. With his offense he could make an impact right away.

Guys I think that would be nuts to take this job.

Peterson-Why?? He has set the bar in Boise, guys knock down his door to go to Boise...Im not sure he can, or wants to recruit in the heart of the Southeast.

Jimbo Fisher-lateral move....see no positives in this for either party.

And Guys Im just not sold on....Gruden, Golden, Petrino.

Wild Cards....Charlie Strong and Bob Davie.

Just remember, we are winless in the SEC, this is not going to be a cakewalk for whoever takes this program over. We are officially in the REBUILD stage!! We need contenders for the long haul....Not pretenders.

As always, Go VOLS!!
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#537
#537
Ray Lewis as the new DC. If the defense sucks it up for a week, they have to go one on one in tackling drills. Problem solved. He also is an incredible motivational speaker.
 
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#539
Gruden will not be coming to UT unfortunately. Me along with everybody else that works in the athletic department at UT knows this. He doesn't have much interest in coaching college football. I was disappointed when I heard this but I still think there are quality coaches out there.
 
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Hello fellow diehard Vols fans! Isnt it great to be a Tennessee Vol right now?! The suspense is thrilling, which helps ease the pain of no bowl game. Oh well, the curse has been lifted folks..Doofus is gone! Im telling you right now we would have lost on Saturday if that clown was on the sideline. I think we will do the exact opposite with him gone, and will look good in doing it! Watch how sharp our Vols are against Kentuuuckheee..it will show that they totally turned their back on him. Good, he deserved it..kharmas a beeat ch eh Doofus?
 
#543
#543
Heard the latest rumor on 102.3 Sport Talk in Chattanooga earlier today:

Gruden's son's transcripts have been sent to Knoxville Catholic.

Where there's smoke...... ?

AV
 
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sjt18 said:
Unfortunately, the classless, condemning attitude many here showed toward Dooley has been very common. It could be a factor.

I was attacked for telling some of these jerks that if they continued they'd get the program they deserved. Constant harping about firing a coach or him not being up to THEIR standard.... namecalling... hyper criticism.... It DOES have an impact on how the program is perceived by EVERYONE outside of the fanbase.
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Unfortunately, this attitude also has deep historical roots among Tennessee fans. Majors eloquently dubbed this contingent of the Big Orange Nation as the "Legions of the Miserable." In the statistical sense of the word, I have no idea just how prevalent this hypercritical attitude is. I would like to think that it is characteristic of only a tiny, but very vocal, fraction of Tennessee fans. Although I am not so vain as to think that our collective contributions to this forum would significantly impact the interest level of prospective coaching candidates, one could erroneously conclude, based on the acrimony expressed in dialogue on this board, that the Big Orange Nation is a pit of vipers that canibalistically consumes its own. Hart hinted at this in the most diplomatic terms when he stated that "we are blessed to have such a passionate fanbase. That passion, of course, assumes many forms."

I could understand the venom that has permeated so much of the recent dialogue here . . . if it was directed at our SEC adversaries. We need to conduct ourselves, particularly in communication with each other, with the class and dignity of the champions we have so often been. After all, as my brother has often said, God only made 108,000 perfect people; the rest he made Gator, 'Bama, Georgia and, perhaps, most contemptible of all, Vanderbilt fans.
 
#545
#545
With the $18 mil they just announced, we can get Brad Stevens. So impressed with his coaching ability, I bet he could coach football. Let's do it!
 
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I am not one to get all fanatical about a coach that hasn't even been named yet. However, Jason La Confora, who is a credible source, seems to think it's a possibility. I really had two questions that were bugging me about this. The first was why would UT want him? Yes he is a big name hire but signing him does not guarantee victories. It may guarantee you a great signing class, filling the stadium next year, and national exposure. But that is about all you can hang your hat on for a coach that has never been successful at the college level. Keep in mind, he hasn't managed a game or a team since 2008. His record over his last 6 years of coaching was very sub par. He only made it to the playoffs twice and both of those were wild card match ups that the Bucs lost. In comparison, that's an awful lot like Fulmer's digression from the time he won his NC. The Gruden appeal comes more from his TV personality and not his coaching dominance. Dooley has a great TV personality but that didn't make him a great coach. Just something to think about.

My second question was, why would Jon Gruden come to Tennessee. Well that makes more sense than the latter. First off, Gruden obviously likes working with college students. You can see that in the ESPN interviews he has conducted with all the young QBs that are heading to the draft. You can't help but think that he feels confident in his ability to motivate and coach up young athletes. He knows that they respect and admire him which is quite a bit different from coaching the older players who tend to be spoiled and more vocal. Because of this, he probably believes he could be more successful coaching college which is why he is maybe considering coming to UT. The other reason I have is simply this... he has a sour taste in his mouth! For a man like Gruden who takes a lot of pride in his work, don't think for a second that he is ok with his legacy as a football coach. Even though he won a Superbowl, no coach wants to go out being asked to leave! They all want to go out winners. He may see the college game as more winnable. In the pro's, every fan expects getting to the playoffs. Right now at Tennessee, most would be happy with a couple SEC wins and a bowl win of some kind in the next 2-3 years. That alone would guarantee him some measure of success in his return to football. Now if he was taking over for a winning program, that might be a different story. That said, Gruden to Tennessee makes some sense.:good!:
 
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Windy City Vol said:
With the $18 mil they just announced, we can get Brad Stevens. So impressed with his coaching ability, I bet he could coach football. Let's do it!
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He's a great coach.

Having Butler and VCU in the A-10 is going to be exciting. Two great programs in arguably one of the best basketball conferences in the country,
 
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Bam Bam said:
I am not one to get all fanatical about a coach that hasn't even been named yet. However, Jason La Confora, who is a credible source, seems to think it's a possibility. I really had two questions that were bugging me about this. The first was why would UT want him? Yes he is a big name hire but signing him does not guarantee victories. It may guarantee you a great signing class, filling the stadium next year, and national exposure. But that is about all you can hang your hat on for a coach that has never been successful at the college level. Keep in mind, he hasn't managed a game or a team since 2008. His record over his last 6 years of coaching was very sub par. He only made it to the playoffs twice and both of those were wild card match ups that the Bucs lost. In comparison, that's an awful lot like Fulmer's digression from the time he won his NC. The Gruden appeal comes more from his TV personality and not his coaching dominance. Dooley has a great TV personality but that didn't make him a great coach. Just something to think about.

My second question was, why would Jon Gruden come to Tennessee. Well that makes more sense than the latter. First off, Gruden obviously likes working with college students. You can see that in the ESPN interviews he has conducted with all the young QBs that are heading to the draft. You can't help but think that he feels confident in his ability to motivate and coach up young athletes. He knows that they respect and admire him which is quite a bit different from coaching the older players who tend to be spoiled and more vocal. Because of this, he probably believes he could be more successful coaching college which is why he is maybe considering coming to UT. The other reason I have is simply this... he has a sour taste in his mouth! For a man like Gruden who takes a lot of pride in his work, don't think for a second that he is ok with his legacy as a football coach. Even though he won a Superbowl, no coach wants to go out being asked to leave! They all want to go out winners. He may see the college game as more winnable. In the pro's, every fan expects getting to the playoffs. Right now at Tennessee, most would be happy with a couple SEC wins and a bowl win of some kind in the next 2-3 years. That alone would guarantee him some measure of success in his return to football. Now if he was taking over for a winning program, that might be a different story. That said, Gruden to Tennessee makes some sense.:good!:
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Ok first, comparing Dooley to Gruden is ridiculous. Gruden is a proven coach and a Super Bowl winner. He masterminded the west coast offense he has the most respected quarterback clinics in the nation. His name alone would fill our roster with 5 star recruits. Gruden would be what Tennessee needs now. No one could bring the recruits and develop them like Gruden. To try to group he and Dooley together is much like comparing a new corvette to a 74 pinto. Where is Dooley's ring? How many 5 stars did he bring us. He brought us to the very bottom the lowest this program has ever seen. It will take a name like Gruden to revive this program now. Make no mistake if we can get Gruden, he is our man!
 
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