Originally Posted by Samit23
Gruden is a good NFL coach, but he is far from a great coach. For those that have experienced the Gruden coaching system they know there is little chance he would ever coach at the college level. First, Gruden's system is incredibly complex and near impossible to learn for young professionals, let alone college aged kids that don;t have 80 hrs/wk to dedicate to the playbook. Second, Gruden's major weakness is at developing interpersonal relationships. Finding former players that will say something nice about the guy is harder than spotting bigfoot. Third, he has a history of destroying young talent. You will be hard pressed to name more than a handful of young players, drafted and developed by Gruden on offense. His successes in the league were with grizzled veterans. Fourth, he could not co-exist with a GM, let alone an AD. Gruden is a total control guy. There is no total control at the college level. Fifth, he would be a recruiting disaster. Sure, you could make the argument that some offensive players would be taken by his reputation and his work on ESPN, the reality is that he would be hard pressed to truly develop the relationships with high school coaches and parents necessary to find true success at recruiting to a big time program. Sixth, Gruden's agent is the master at floating rumors to keep Jon in the game, so to speak. There has not been a job opening at the the major college or pro level that Gruden's name has not been associated with, even though he was never a real candidate for any of them.
UT will be best served going after an experienced college coach that will bring character back into the program.
^^^ Very excellent points my friend ^^^
Many die hard Grudenites are delusional it seems.
They've made up this false image of Gruden based mostly on his TV personality and their own dreams rather than solid facts.
Gruden did coach the Oakland Raiders and everyone that knows anything about the NFL and Oakland knows that owner/GM Al Davis (RIP) was a total control freak when it came to the players that were drafted or signed in Free Agency and he was nuts about numbers like 40 times and how far a QB could throw a ball, ect so sometimes he got really good players and other times he'd totally waiste his money on BUST players that were total failures like the former LSU QB, Russell I think his name was, that was a BUST from day 1.
If Gruden was such a great coach then WHY was Al Davis so happy and in a hurry to trade him to Tampa Bay?
If Gruden was such a great coach then Al Davis would have paid him any amount of money to keep him coaching in Oakland and would NEVER have traded him away so fast.
Al Davis helped teach and make Madden the great SuperBowl winning coach he became before he retired to TV and is so well known for his Madden video games.
I agree with many here that Gruden won't be the great savior that so many around here think he will be.
If AD Hart can hire him then I'll support him 100% like I have every coach for 50 years and I'll hope he can rebuild my beloved Vols back up to win another National Championship before I die.
VFL...GBO!!!
Agree. Think Tressel would be a fantastic hire and Know he would love to get back into coaching.
Originally Posted by Samit23
Gruden is a good NFL coach, but he is far from a great coach. For those that have experienced the Gruden coaching system they know there is little chance he would ever coach at the college level. First, Gruden's system is incredibly complex and near impossible to learn for young professionals, let alone college aged kids that don;t have 80 hrs/wk to dedicate to the playbook. Second, Gruden's major weakness is at developing interpersonal relationships. Finding former players that will say something nice about the guy is harder than spotting bigfoot. Third, he has a history of destroying young talent. You will be hard pressed to name more than a handful of young players, drafted and developed by Gruden on offense. His successes in the league were with grizzled veterans. Fourth, he could not co-exist with a GM, let alone an AD. Gruden is a total control guy. There is no total control at the college level. Fifth, he would be a recruiting disaster. Sure, you could make the argument that some offensive players would be taken by his reputation and his work on ESPN, the reality is that he would be hard pressed to truly develop the relationships with high school coaches and parents necessary to find true success at recruiting to a big time program. Sixth, Gruden's agent is the master at floating rumors to keep Jon in the game, so to speak. There has not been a job opening at the the major college or pro level that Gruden's name has not been associated with, even though he was never a real candidate for any of them.
UT will be best served going after an experienced college coach that will bring character back into the program.
^^^ Very excellent points my friend ^^^
Many die hard Grudenites are delusional it seems.
They've made up this false image of Gruden based mostly on his TV personality and their own dreams rather than solid facts.
Gruden did coach the Oakland Raiders and everyone that knows anything about the NFL and Oakland knows that owner/GM Al Davis (RIP) was a total control freak when it came to the players that were drafted or signed in Free Agency and he was nuts about numbers like 40 times and how far a QB could throw a ball, ect so sometimes he got really good players and other times he'd totally waiste his money on BUST players that were total failures like the former LSU QB, Russell I think his name was, that was a BUST from day 1.
If Gruden was such a great coach then WHY was Al Davis so happy and in a hurry to trade him to Tampa Bay?
If Gruden was such a great coach then Al Davis would have paid him any amount of money to keep him coaching in Oakland and would NEVER have traded him away so fast.
Al Davis helped teach and make Madden the great SuperBowl winning coach he became before he retired to TV and is so well known for his Madden video games.
I agree with many here that Gruden won't be the great savior that so many around here think he will be.
If AD Hart can hire him then I'll support him 100% like I have every coach for 50 years and I'll hope he can rebuild my beloved Vols back up to win another National Championship before I die.
VFL...GBO!!!
Probably should watch a football game outside of the state of Tennessee. Davis traded Gruden because he wasn't winning the way he wanted to win. He took over Joe Bugel's 4-12 team & made Oakland a SB contender.
As for winning with 'Dungy's team', funny how Dungy couldn't win playoff games or late season cold weather games with his own team. Apparently, Gruden's leadership was the missing ingredient that got them over the top. Not to mention, it wasn't Gruden's fault that the Tampa owner went cheap & let their big name FA go while not bringing any in. Hard to win with the Shaun Kings & Chris Simms of the world in the NFL.
I went to Ohio State during the transistion from Cooper to Trssel and let me tell you this....Tressel made the Michigan game mean everything again, he could do the same for the Bama and UF games if he comes to Knox......Id love to see an Orange sweater vest myself, love the man, love the results he got at Ohio State too. :rock:
Originally Posted by Samit23
Gruden is a good NFL coach, but he is far from a great coach. For those that have experienced the Gruden coaching system they know there is little chance he would ever coach at the college level. First, Gruden's system is incredibly complex and near impossible to learn for young professionals, let alone college aged kids that don;t have 80 hrs/wk to dedicate to the playbook. Second, Gruden's major weakness is at developing interpersonal relationships. Finding former players that will say something nice about the guy is harder than spotting bigfoot. Third, he has a history of destroying young talent. You will be hard pressed to name more than a handful of young players, drafted and developed by Gruden on offense. His successes in the league were with grizzled veterans. Fourth, he could not co-exist with a GM, let alone an AD. Gruden is a total control guy. There is no total control at the college level. Fifth, he would be a recruiting disaster. Sure, you could make the argument that some offensive players would be taken by his reputation and his work on ESPN, the reality is that he would be hard pressed to truly develop the relationships with high school coaches and parents necessary to find true success at recruiting to a big time program. Sixth, Gruden's agent is the master at floating rumors to keep Jon in the game, so to speak. There has not been a job opening at the the major college or pro level that Gruden's name has not been associated with, even though he was never a real candidate for any of them.
UT will be best served going after an experienced college coach that will bring character back into the program.
^^^ Very excellent points my friend ^^^
Many die hard Grudenites are delusional it seems.
They've made up this false image of Gruden based mostly on his TV personality and their own dreams rather than solid facts.
Gruden did coach the Oakland Raiders and everyone that knows anything about the NFL and Oakland knows that owner/GM Al Davis (RIP) was a total control freak when it came to the players that were drafted or signed in Free Agency and he was nuts about numbers like 40 times and how far a QB could throw a ball, ect so sometimes he got really good players and other times he'd totally waiste his money on BUST players that were total failures like the former LSU QB, Russell I think his name was, that was a BUST from day 1.
If Gruden was such a great coach then WHY was Al Davis so happy and in a hurry to trade him to Tampa Bay?
If Gruden was such a great coach then Al Davis would have paid him any amount of money to keep him coaching in Oakland and would NEVER have traded him away so fast.
Al Davis helped teach and make Madden the great SuperBowl winning coach he became before he retired to TV and is so well known for his Madden video games.
I agree with many here that Gruden won't be the great savior that so many around here think he will be.
If AD Hart can hire him then I'll support him 100% like I have every coach for 50 years and I'll hope he can rebuild my beloved Vols back up to win another National Championship before I die.
VFL...GBO!!!
I have noticed that anyone with an opinion differing from yours is delusional. Furthermore, you are one of the very few who were defending Dooley right up until the end. When we lost to Vandy, you got really quiet. Perhaps you should stay that way because your opinions are much like my septic tank.
I don't know if we will get gruden or not but if we don't I would be for going after Tressel. I think he is a great coach and I great recruiter...
Tressel CHEATED and he LIED about it while at OSU which is why he was FIRED.Tennessee just had our NCAA probation extended for 2 more years because of more things that happened under laMe kiffScum.
Tressel also was a BAD coach when it came to trying to win against SEC teams.
UT would be under the fear of a death penalty with Tressel as our HC so he would be LAST on my list of potential new Head Coaches.
Petrino also should NOT be considered because he left EVERY program he's been at under NCAA violations or other bad problems.
Our Vols do NOT need anyone that will keep our program constantly under the NCAA microscope.
I hope AD Hart can get us a solid homerun hire but it's going to be VERY hard to do unless the big $$$ boosters have guaranteed several million $$$$ per year to hire our new HC and his coaching staff.
VFL...GBO!!!
Agreed! We don't want Tressel. Tressel closed the borders of Ohio for the most part. Kept players in state. That is why he was a good recruiter. And lets be honest, look what Urban Meyer did at OSU this past year. Big 10 football is weak. Urban knows it, thats why he is there. He will dominate that league.
You really need to learn how to read kid.
I've said this 100 times but I'll say it again in hopes that you'll actually read it and learn something about me.
I did NOT defend or support CDD over our football program so stop your lies about me.
I've been a Tennessee Orange bleeding Vols fan for over 50 years and I ALWAYS support ALL coaches and ALL players as long as they are part of my beloved UT Vols program.
Just like I'll support ALL our new coaches no matter who they turn out to be.
You just don't like me because I don't bow down and worship Jon Gruden like you do and I actually do NOT believe that he's the long term answer for all the problems and the total rebuilding program for my beloved Vols football program.
The FACTS are stil the same on Gruden despite your adoration for the man.
He WAS traded away very quickly from Oakland by a owner that would have paid Gruden a fortune IF he actually believed Gruden could get Oakland back on top and KEEP them there CONSISTENTLY.
He DID win the Superbowl at the Bucs with the team that Tony Dungy spent years to build.
After that 1 good, superbowl winning season with the Dungy players the ONLY thing Gruden PROVED he could do with the Tampa Bay Bucs was to CONSISTENTLY go down, down, down until he was FIRED for his FAILURE to keep a Superbowl winning team even remotely in the picture.
In case you don't know it kid the SEC simply IS the NFL lite and being a CONSISTENT winner in the SEC is what it's all about unless you prefer to stay a middle of the SEC pack team which has NEVER been good enough to me.
I'm too old and sick to be able to wait another 10 years to watch Tennessee in another SEC Championship game or just maybe to get into another National Championship game BUT I do understand alot of the things that CDD was trying to accomplish and I've attempted to explain some of those things to people here like you.
Just as I understand the $5 Million buyout that was put in the CDD contract but you don't even attempt to try and understand anything pertaining to the Tennessee football program except you unfailing love of everything Jon Gruden so please do NOT commit suicide whan Gruden doesn't come to Tennessee and if he does then I'll support him just as I've supported every coach that's been at UT for 50 years because I love my Vols and I'll always support the PROGRAM...NOT just any specific coach.
VFL...GBO!!!
Charlie Strong=Talk to me after 4 or 5 impressive seasons.
Tommy Tubberville= I'll take him.
Booby Petrino=NO. Not interested in re-negotiating his contract EVERY YEAR.
Butch Jones= Again, talk to me after 4 or 5 straight impressive seasons.
Gary Patterson= Homerun hire.
Petersen= Homerun hire.
John Gruden= Homerun hire.eace2: