New Nationwide Lockdown Coming?

[MontyPython]

She doesn't have the power to keep locking people down. She doesn't have the power to force businesses to close and people to lose everything. Of course these lock downs don't apply to her family

Details, my friend.

Governor Whitmer didn't *do* anything. The new lockdown was ordered by the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. And, yeah, they have both the legal right as well as the duty to take such action during a pandemic.

 

[GSD82]

Details, my friend.

Governor Whitmer didn't *do* anything. The new lockdown was ordered by the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. And, yeah, they have both the legal right as well as the duty to take such action during a pandemic.

No they don't. She has already been shot down on some of her executive orders. Also it seems some are getting on board with impeaching her

 

[Vol Main]

Biden's peep are not advocating for a lockdown.

 

[utvolpj]

Biden's peep are not advocating for a lockdown.

Some have and some haven't. There's no consistency except for the current guy is wrong. That's not good policy

 

[volfanhill]

Details, my friend.

Governor Whitmer didn't *do* anything. The new lockdown was ordered by the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. And, yeah, they have both the legal right as well as the duty to take such action during a pandemic.

I guarantee you she has the power to stop them. So it’s the same thing.

 

[MontyPython]

It’s the Minnesota freedom fund but will try to get a link for you later.... gotta go to a meeting

You do know that a judge has to approve any potential bail situations. Do you not trust Michigan judges?

 

[MontyPython]

No they don't. She has already been shot down on some of her executive orders. Also it seems some are getting on board with impeaching her

Wrong. Again.

And I'm sure any impeachment will work out about as well as it did with Dumb Donald.

Gatherings and Face Mask Order
Michigan law imposes on the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) a duty to continually and diligently endeavor to “prevent disease, prolong life, and promote public health,” and gives the Department “general supervision of the interests of health and life of people of this state.” MCL 333.2221. MDHHS may “[e]xercise authority and promulgate rules to safeguard properly the public health; to prevent the spread of diseases and the existence of sources of contamination; and to implement and carry out the powers and duties vested by law in the department.” MCL 333.2226(d).
The novel coronavirus (COVID-19) is a respiratory disease that can result in serious illness or death. It is caused by a new strain of coronavirus not previously identified in humans and easily spread from person to person. There is currently no approved vaccine for this disease. COVID-19 spreads through close human contact, even from individuals who may be asymptomatic.
In recognition of the severe, widespread harm caused by epidemics, the Legislature has granted MDHHS specific authority, dating back a century, to address threats to the public health like that posed by COVID-19. MCL 333.2253(1) provides that “f the director determines that control of an epidemic is necessary to protect the public health, the director by emergency order may prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose and may establish procedures to be followed during the epidemic to insure continuation of essential public health services and enforcement of health laws. Emergency procedures shall not be limited to this code.” See also In re Certified Questions, Docket No. 161492 (Viviano, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part, at 20) (“[T]he 1919 law passed in the wake of the influenza epidemic and Governor Sleeper’s actions is still the law, albeit in slightly modified form.”); see also id. (McCormack, C.J., dissenting, at 12). Enforcing Michigan’s health laws, including preventing disease, prolonging life, and promoting public health, requires limitations on gatherings and the establishment of procedures to control the spread of COVID-19. This includes limiting the number, location, size, and type of gatherings, and instituting mitigating measures like face masks to prevent ill or infected persons from infecting others.
On March 10, 2020, MDHHS identified the first two presumptive-positive cases of COVID-19 in Michigan. As of October 27, 2020, Michigan has seen 161,907 confirmed cases and 7,211 confirmed deaths attributable to COVID-19. Michigan was one of the states most heavily impacted by COVID-19 early in the pandemic, with new cases peaking at nearly 2,000 per day in late March. Strict preventative measures and the cooperation of Michiganders drove those numbers down dramatically, greatly reducing the loss of life. Although fewer than 200 new cases per day were reported in mid-June, cases have increased since that time, with over 3,000 cases per day being reported on some recent days.
The State of Michigan presently has 172 cases per million people and positivity of tests has increased from about 2% to 5.5%. Both indicators have been increasing for over four weeks. Three of five regions are now at the highest risk level, risk level E (Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, and Upper Peninsula). Rising cases creates significant pressures on our emergency and hospital system. Complaints of coronavirus like illness (CLI) in the emergency department increased for the sixth week in a row for the state and there are now four regions where greater than 1% of all persons at the emergency department present with CLI (Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, Traverse City, and Upper Peninsula). Hospitalizations for COVID-19 have doubled over the last three weeks. There are more than 5% COVID hospitalizations in all regions except Traverse City. The state death rate has increased for five consecutive weeks to 2.1 deaths per million people. More than 20 weekly deaths are seen in four regions (Detroit, Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, and Upper Peninsula). Due to delays between exposure, onset of symptoms, and hospitalization, the sharp rise in new infections heralds challenging weeks to come, with growing strain on our healthcare infrastructure.
To protect vulnerable individuals, ensure the health care system can provide care for all health issues, and prevent spread in schools as we head into the influenza season, we must not permit the spread of COVID-19 to further increase. This necessitates continued use of mitigation techniques to restrict gatherings and require procedures in order to reduce the spread of the virus. As such, it is necessary to issue orders under the Public Health Code addressing these topics.
Considering the above, and upon the advice of scientific and medical experts employed by MDHHS, I have concluded pursuant to MCL 333.2253 that the COVID-19 pandemic continues to constitute an epidemic in Michigan. I have also, subject to the grant of authority in PA 238 (signed into law on October, 22, 2020), herein defined the symptoms of COVID-19 based on the latest epidemiological evidence. I further conclude that control of the epidemic is necessary to protect the public health and that it is necessary to establish procedures to be followed during the epidemic to ensure the continuation of essential public health services and enforcement of health laws. As provided in MCL 333.2253, these emergency procedures are not limited to the Public Health Code.

[order deleted for space]

This order is effective immediately, except for section 8(c), which takes effect on November 2, 2020. This order remains in effect until rescinded. Persons with suggestions and concerns are invited to submit their comments via email to COVID19@michigan.gov.
Date: October 29, 2020

Robert Gordon, Director
Michigan Department of Health and Human Services

 

[MontyPython]

I guarantee you she has the power to stop them. So it’s the same thing.

No. Read order above.

Also, try this on for size: Instead of whining about your "suppressed freedoms", how about you actually listen to our nation's health experts and get with the program. Of every civilized nation on Earth, we're doing about the worst. Pathetic, really.

or...

Trust a 6x bankrupt real estate developer / reality TV gameshow host who thinks windmills cause cancer.

/shrug

Either way, if you live in MI, it's now the law.

 

[GSD82]

Wrong. Again.

And I'm sure any impeachment will work out about as well as it did with Dumb Donald.

Gatherings and Face Mask Order
Michigan law imposes on the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) a duty to continually and diligently endeavor to “prevent disease, prolong life, and promote public health,” and gives the Department “general supervision of the interests of health and life of people of this state.” MCL 333.2221. MDHHS may “[e]xercise authority and promulgate rules to safeguard properly the public health; to prevent the spread of diseases and the existence of sources of contamination; and to implement and carry out the powers and duties vested by law in the department.” MCL 333.2226(d).
The novel coronavirus (COVID-19) is a respiratory disease that can result in serious illness or death. It is caused by a new strain of coronavirus not previously identified in humans and easily spread from person to person. There is currently no approved vaccine for this disease. COVID-19 spreads through close human contact, even from individuals who may be asymptomatic.
In recognition of the severe, widespread harm caused by epidemics, the Legislature has granted MDHHS specific authority, dating back a century, to address threats to the public health like that posed by COVID-19. MCL 333.2253(1) provides that “f the director determines that control of an epidemic is necessary to protect the public health, the director by emergency order may prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose and may establish procedures to be followed during the epidemic to insure continuation of essential public health services and enforcement of health laws. Emergency procedures shall not be limited to this code.” See also In re Certified Questions, Docket No. 161492 (Viviano, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part, at 20) (“[T]he 1919 law passed in the wake of the influenza epidemic and Governor Sleeper’s actions is still the law, albeit in slightly modified form.”); see also id. (McCormack, C.J., dissenting, at 12). Enforcing Michigan’s health laws, including preventing disease, prolonging life, and promoting public health, requires limitations on gatherings and the establishment of procedures to control the spread of COVID-19. This includes limiting the number, location, size, and type of gatherings, and instituting mitigating measures like face masks to prevent ill or infected persons from infecting others.
On March 10, 2020, MDHHS identified the first two presumptive-positive cases of COVID-19 in Michigan. As of October 27, 2020, Michigan has seen 161,907 confirmed cases and 7,211 confirmed deaths attributable to COVID-19. Michigan was one of the states most heavily impacted by COVID-19 early in the pandemic, with new cases peaking at nearly 2,000 per day in late March. Strict preventative measures and the cooperation of Michiganders drove those numbers down dramatically, greatly reducing the loss of life. Although fewer than 200 new cases per day were reported in mid-June, cases have increased since that time, with over 3,000 cases per day being reported on some recent days.
The State of Michigan presently has 172 cases per million people and positivity of tests has increased from about 2% to 5.5%. Both indicators have been increasing for over four weeks. Three of five regions are now at the highest risk level, risk level E (Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, and Upper Peninsula). Rising cases creates significant pressures on our emergency and hospital system. Complaints of coronavirus like illness (CLI) in the emergency department increased for the sixth week in a row for the state and there are now four regions where greater than 1% of all persons at the emergency department present with CLI (Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, Traverse City, and Upper Peninsula). Hospitalizations for COVID-19 have doubled over the last three weeks. There are more than 5% COVID hospitalizations in all regions except Traverse City. The state death rate has increased for five consecutive weeks to 2.1 deaths per million people. More than 20 weekly deaths are seen in four regions (Detroit, Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, and Upper Peninsula). Due to delays between exposure, onset of symptoms, and hospitalization, the sharp rise in new infections heralds challenging weeks to come, with growing strain on our healthcare infrastructure.
To protect vulnerable individuals, ensure the health care system can provide care for all health issues, and prevent spread in schools as we head into the influenza season, we must not permit the spread of COVID-19 to further increase. This necessitates continued use of mitigation techniques to restrict gatherings and require procedures in order to reduce the spread of the virus. As such, it is necessary to issue orders under the Public Health Code addressing these topics.
Considering the above, and upon the advice of scientific and medical experts employed by MDHHS, I have concluded pursuant to MCL 333.2253 that the COVID-19 pandemic continues to constitute an epidemic in Michigan. I have also, subject to the grant of authority in PA 238 (signed into law on October, 22, 2020), herein defined the symptoms of COVID-19 based on the latest epidemiological evidence. I further conclude that control of the epidemic is necessary to protect the public health and that it is necessary to establish procedures to be followed during the epidemic to ensure the continuation of essential public health services and enforcement of health laws. As provided in MCL 333.2253, these emergency procedures are not limited to the Public Health Code.

[order deleted for space]

This order is effective immediately, except for section 8(c), which takes effect on November 2, 2020. This order remains in effect until rescinded. Persons with suggestions and concerns are invited to submit their comments via email to COVID19@michigan.gov.
Date: October 29, 2020

Robert Gordon, Director
Michigan Department of Health and Human Services

You can put up their "orders" all day long. They don't have the power to issue such an order. Plus we have tried your alls way, 14 days to slow the curve then lock it down, then everyone wear a mask everywhere you go. How has all that helped at all?

 

[volfanhill]

No. Read order above.

Also, try this on for size: Instead of whining about your "suppressed freedoms", how about you actually listen to our nation's health experts and get with the program. Of every civilized nation on Earth, we're doing about the worst. Pathetic, really.

or...

Trust a 6x bankrupt real estate developer / reality TV gameshow host who thinks windmills cause cancer.

/shrug

Either way, if you live in MI, it's now the law.

You are clueless if you think the Governor can’t issue an order to stop it.

And how are we doing worse then the rest of the world? Because of positive tests? We are testing more then anyone else. Our death rate is better then many countries that went full lockdown. And no I won’t just listen to the scientists. They should not be the only ones with a seat at the table advising how we work through this. It’s beyond stupid to only listen to them.

 

[GSD82]

No. Read order above.

Also, try this on for size: Instead of whining about your "suppressed freedoms", how about you actually listen to our nation's health experts and get with the program. Of every civilized nation on Earth, we're doing about the worst. Pathetic, really.

or...

Trust a 6x bankrupt real estate developer / reality TV gameshow host who thinks windmills cause cancer.

/shrug

Either way, if you live in MI, it's now the law.

Anyone there with any common sense should resist. She can't enforce these orders.

 

[Sandman 423]

No. Read order above.

Also, try this on for size: Instead of whining about your "suppressed freedoms", how about you actually listen to our nation's health experts and get with the program. Of every civilized nation on Earth, we're doing about the worst. Pathetic, really.

or...

Trust a 6x bankrupt real estate developer / reality TV gameshow host who thinks windmills cause cancer.

/shrug

Either way, if you live in MI, it's now the law.

Can you name 5 civilized countries that are doing better?

 

[MontyPython]

You can put up their "orders" all day long. They don't have the power to issue such an order. Plus we have tried your alls way, 14 days to slow the curve then lock it down, then everyone wear a mask everywhere you go. How has all that helped at all?

SCIENCE!

100,000 less people die if we use masks.

Repeat... 100,000 people. That's 33-times more people than died in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Modeling COVID-19 scenarios for the United States

• IHME COVID-19 Forecasting Team

Nature Medicine (2020)Cite this article

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Abstract
We use COVID-19 case and mortality data from 1 February 2020 to 21 September 2020 and a deterministic SEIR (susceptible, exposed, infectious and recovered) compartmental framework to model possible trajectories of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections and the effects of non-pharmaceutical interventions in the United States at the state level from 22 September 2020 through 28 February 2021. Using this SEIR model, and projections of critical driving covariates (pneumonia seasonality, mobility, testing rates and mask use per capita), we assessed scenarios of social distancing mandates and levels of mask use. Projections of current non-pharmaceutical intervention strategies by state—with social distancing mandates reinstated when a threshold of 8 deaths per million population is exceeded (reference scenario)—suggest that, cumulatively, 511,373 (469,578–578,347) lives could be lost to COVID-19 across the United States by 28 February 2021. We find that achieving universal mask use (95% mask use in public) could be sufficient to ameliorate the worst effects of epidemic resurgences in many states. Universal mask use could save an additional 129,574 (85,284–170,867) lives from September 22, 2020 through the end of February 2021, or an additional 95,814 (60,731–133,077) lives assuming a lesser adoption of mask wearing (85%), when compared to the reference scenario.

 

[utvolpj]

No. Read order above.

Also, try this on for size: Instead of whining about your "suppressed freedoms", how about you actually listen to our nation's health experts and get with the program. Of every civilized nation on Earth, we're doing about the worst. Pathetic, really.

or...

Trust a 6x bankrupt real estate developer / reality TV gameshow host who thinks windmills cause cancer.

/shrug

Either way, if you live in MI, it's now the law.

How about those health experts be forced to speak with an economists? Maybe a psychologist could be included in their meetings to discuss the mental and emotional damage their suggested policies would inflict?

Nah, let's leave it all up to Fauci and team who have done so well already

 

[MontyPython]

Can you name 5 civilized countries that are doing better?

Ranked by deaths per million population (lowest to highest).

Translation: We're ranked #209 in the world based on deaths per 1M population. So, yeah, nearly every civilized country on the planet is doing better than we are.

 

[MontyPython]

How about those health experts be forced to speak with an economists? Maybe a psychologist could be included in their meetings to discuss the mental and emotional damage their suggested policies would inflict?

Nah, let's leave it all up to Fauci and team who have done so well already

Look, man, what are you complaining about? I mean, seriously? If you live in Tennessee, THERE IS NO STATEWIDE MASK ORDER. How's that worked out for you?

 

[GSD82]

SCIENCE!

100,000 less people die if we use masks.

Repeat... 100,000 people. That's 33-times more people than died in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Modeling COVID-19 scenarios for the United States

• IHME COVID-19 Forecasting Team

Nature Medicine (2020)Cite this article

• 176k Accesses
• 1 Citations
• 5372 Altmetric
• Metricsdetails

Abstract
We use COVID-19 case and mortality data from 1 February 2020 to 21 September 2020 and a deterministic SEIR (susceptible, exposed, infectious and recovered) compartmental framework to model possible trajectories of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections and the effects of non-pharmaceutical interventions in the United States at the state level from 22 September 2020 through 28 February 2021. Using this SEIR model, and projections of critical driving covariates (pneumonia seasonality, mobility, testing rates and mask use per capita), we assessed scenarios of social distancing mandates and levels of mask use. Projections of current non-pharmaceutical intervention strategies by state—with social distancing mandates reinstated when a threshold of 8 deaths per million population is exceeded (reference scenario)—suggest that, cumulatively, 511,373 (469,578–578,347) lives could be lost to COVID-19 across the United States by 28 February 2021. We find that achieving universal mask use (95% mask use in public) could be sufficient to ameliorate the worst effects of epidemic resurgences in many states. Universal mask use could save an additional 129,574 (85,284–170,867) lives from September 22, 2020 through the end of February 2021, or an additional 95,814 (60,731–133,077) lives assuming a lesser adoption of mask wearing (85%), when compared to the reference scenario.

Every place I go 99% of the sheep are wearing a mask. Repeat 99% of the sheep

Almost everyone has had lock downs
Almost everyone has had mask mandates
What good have these done? Some places locked down for several weeks. Some places have had mask mandates for several months, even when OUTSIDE LOL.

So other than your side enjoying taking rights away, what's the point of more lock downs and more mandates?

 

[GSD82]

Look, man, what are you complaining about? I mean, seriously? If you live in Tennessee, THERE IS NO STATEWIDE MASK ORDER. How's that worked out for you?

There is a mask mandate in just about every county

 

[utvolpj]

Look, man, what are you complaining about? I mean, seriously? If you live in Tennessee, THERE IS NO STATEWIDE MASK ORDER. How's that worked out for you?

I don't live there and have family all over. My complaint is people like you spreading this mindless idiocy being pushed by "scientists" who don't live in the real world. Using a singular source for material is a sure way to fail

 

[volbeast33]

You do know that a judge has to approve any potential bail situations. Do you not trust Michigan judges?

What does that have to do with who is providing the money for bail?

 

[volfanhill]

No. Read order above.

Also, try this on for size: Instead of whining about your "suppressed freedoms", how about you actually listen to our nation's health experts and get with the program. Of every civilized nation on Earth, we're doing about the worst. Pathetic, really.

or...

Trust a 6x bankrupt real estate developer / reality TV gameshow host who thinks windmills cause cancer.

/shrug

Either way, if you live in MI, it's now the law.

Good News: Your government possibly prevented you from contracting a virus that has less then a 1% chance of killing you.

Bad News: Your homeless


Delinquencies Reach Highest Rate in over 20 years

 

[MontyPython]

I don't live there and have family all over. My complaint is people like you spreading this mindless idiocy being pushed by "scientists" who don't live in the real world. Using a singular source for material is a sure way to fail

Ahhhh, yes... the old scientists are "mindless idiots" chestnut when it comes to a global pandemic. What exactly is it that you do for a job, sir? Do tell how you know more about communicable diseases than Dr. Fauci.

 

[utvolpj]

Ahhhh, yes... the old scientists are "mindless idiots" chestnut when it comes to a global pandemic. What exactly is it that you do for a job, sir? Do tell how you know more about communicable diseases than Dr. Fauci.

The scientists are singularly focused. That is not how you make effective policy. Listening to only them is a huge mistake

 

[MontyPython]

What does that have to do with who is providing the money for bail?

Well, I could give a billion dollars to the family of criminals to *try* to bail them out, but does that actually free them?

Nope.

That's up to a judge. So, if anyone bailed out that is dangerous... that falls on a judge.

 

[MontyPython]

They are singularly focused. That is not how you make effective policy

Precisely!

And what, pray tell, is our current national CV-19 policy under the Trump administration?