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[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Why doesn't the Muslims that don't commit terrorism condone it publicly?

Well firstly I don't know of any mainstream Muslim organizations in the United States that condone terrorism. When asked they usually condemn these acts. I think your question is why doesn't the average Muslim speak out more vocally against groups like Hamas? Why is there sometimes implicit or outright support by rank and file Muslims for these groups?

Well the answer is simple. A lot of Muslims feel aggrieved by U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and the treatment of Palestinians by Israel. It all comes back to geopolitics. Muslims feel as though they are under attack so they're not necessarily gonna condemn the people who are "fighting back" because while the average Muslims disagrees with killing innocent people they don't necessarily feel these groups are totally in the wrong in opposing U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East or fighting back against the treatment of Palestinians by Israel.

If the State of Israel didn't exist and if the United States did not meddle in the affairs of Middle Eastern countries groups like ISIS would not exist. And if they did you would actually see Muslim nations taking them out and you would see the average Muslim condemning their actions more resoundingly. The reason it doesn't happen right now is because Muslims feel aggrieved. And an aggrieved party isn't really gonna feel empathy the the group or groups they feel is causing their and their peoples suffering.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Tens of millions of people are struggling financially.....

For purpose of this argument, I'll buy your explantion that he turned to a radicalized version of Islam because he was struggling financially. The finances may have drove him to ISIS but the radicalized religious teachings drove him to kill....

The same reason most people that get cheated on don't kill their spouse or significant other. Thankfully not everyone reacts to grief with violence. But some people do. Is cheating the reason some people kill their spouses while others don't? Or are some people more unstable than others?

Once again if the religion is the cause why don't 1.9 billion other Muslims do the same thing?

The people who commit terrorism are unstable psychos in the same vain as the people who kill their spouses for infidelity or other grievances. The cheating is an excuse used by that unstable spouse just as religion is an excuse used by the unstable individual who turned to terrorism.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

The same reason most people that get cheated on don't kill their spouse or significant other. Thankfully not everyone reacts to grief with violence. But some people do. Is religion the reason some people kill their spouses while others don't? Or are some people more unstable than others?

Once again if the religion is the cause why don't 1.9 billion other Muslims do the same thing?

The people who commit terrorism are unstable psychos in the same vain as the people who kill their spouses for infidelity or other grievances. The cheating is an excuse used by that unstable spouse just as religion is an excuse used by the unstable individual who turned to terrorism.

There's different teachings within Islam. Most are moderate; some are extreme. This guy was radicalized by an extreme interpretation.

It's no different than why some Christians handle snakes at their services..Same reason many Christian denominations allow women to serve in leadership while others dont...

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

How come Muslim citizens don't speak out in against the terrorists acts?? Instead we see them celebrating?

The same reason Black Americans celebrated OJ Simpson getting acquitted for the murder of those two white people in the 90s.

When you oppress a people for enough time they'll sometimes celebrate vengeance eventhough it might be morally wrong. Black people had been victims of a racist criminal justice system for so long that when a black man finally beat the system they celebrated regardless of the fact two people were killed. Same thing in the Middle East. You see Palestinians celebrating terrorist attacks against Israel because they feel they've been victimized by Israel for far longer.

It's a natural human condition to celebrate vengeance regardless of how wrong it might be morally.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

We just need to give them more money.

No. They simply want the American military and CIA to stop messing in their domestic affairs or by unconditionally supporting the state of Israel that is exacting violence throughout the region.

Our foreign policy is the main reason for Islamic terrorism. Not a book written 1400 years ago.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The same reason Black Americans celebrated OJ Simpson getting acquitted for the murder of those two white people in the 90s.

When you oppress a people for enough time they'll sometimes celebrate vengeance eventhough it might be morally wrong. Black people had been victims of a racist criminal justice system for so long that when a black man finally beat the system they celebrated regardless of the fact two people were killed. Same thing in the Middle East. You see Palestinians celebrating terrorist attacks against Israel because they feel they've been victimized by Israel for far longer.

It's a natural human condition to celebrate vengeance regardless of how wrong it might be morally.

And how far has that gotten any of them? Has it improved things? Axing for a friend.

 

[VOLS INC.]

No. They simply want the American military and CIA to stop messing in their domestic affairs or by unconditionally supporting the state of Israel that is exacting violence throughout the region.

Our foreign policy is the main reason for Islamic terrorism. Not a book written 1400 years ago.

You let Obama brainwash you bro. That’s a shame.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I said that meme didn't "just happen" and it's a fact. While we're on South Park what's the difference between them having no problems showing Jesus but literally being told nope to Muhammad. I mean, Piss Christ is literally an award winning piece of "art". How many art galleries you think would be down with giving Piss Muhammad a go? (Wonder if Jake would write up a Charlie Hebdo insurance policy?) You think the artist behind a Draw Jesus Day would have to change their name and go into hiding? These are not remotely the only examples.

My original post clearly, no ambiguity whatsoever, acknowledged that Islam = violence looks a bit much given the numbers. Trying to whatabout there being an overrepresentation with Islam and violence is either naive or denial.

That's because representing Jesus is allowed in Christianity while it's forbidden in Islam. Also it's because criticizing Christianity has been socially acceptable in Christian society for the last 500 years or so while it's socially unacceptable in Islamic society.

Neither the Bible nor the Quran says anything about whether criticism of said religion should be acceptable in a secular society. What you're seeing here is societal differences not a difference of religion.

You guys keep latching onto the effects and presuming the cause is religion. I'm simply arguing there are other reasons for these effects we're witnessing. Just blaming the religion is lazy at best and bigoted at worst.

 

[C-south]

You let Obama brainwash you bro. That’s a shame.

From “workplace violence” to “inflation woes”.

 

[tbh]

I have enough common sense to not speak on things I’m not certain about. You seem to have faith in your opinions. Good for you.

If you really want to waste an afternoon and potentially dislocate a rib or three laughing, ask him about Egyptian (or heck, Mediterranean) history.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

People will do things regarding other religions they won't do with Islam. Why? I know the answer and so do you.

Cause Muslims ain't a group to be effed with. As the kids say now "they stand on business".

I'm sure white people don't go around calling black people the N-word anymore. Why? I know the answer and so do you.

 

[hndog609]

That's because representing Jesus is allowed in Christianity while it's forbidden in Islam.

LOL!! Jeez man, you made better arguments when you were trying to convince everyone Derrick Henry was a garbage RB.

 

[C-south]

Cause Muslims ain't a group to be effed with. As the kids say now "they stand on business".

I'm sure white people don't go around calling black people the N-word anymore. Why? I know the answer and so do you.

Lol

 

[hndog609]

Cause Muslims ain't a group to be effed with. As the kids say now "they stand on business".

I'm sure white people don't go around calling black people the N-word anymore. Why? I know the answer and so do you.

You know the hilarious part of this? You just cosigned violence and terrorism.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

There's different teachings within Islam. Most are moderate; some are extreme. This guy was radicalized by an extreme interpretation.

It's no different than why some Christians handle snakes at their services..Same reason many Christian denominations allow women to serve in leadership while others dont...

I've never denied Islam has problematic teachings. My point is there are nearly 2 billion Muslims. Why don't they follow the same problematic teachings as the terrorists? Obviously there is another factor at play. Just like how everyone who gets cheated on doesn't resort to violence. Cheating isn't the cause of the murder of one spouse by another. Cause everyone who gets cheated doesn't do it.

The inherent unstableness of certain people as well as real world trauma is the cause of "Islamic terrorism". It's not because of the teachings of Islam. That's just the excuse the mentally unstable individual uses.

 

[YankeeVol]

Sure they are. The slightest hint at any gun law changes and their true colors come out.

How many "legal guns" are used in murders?

 

[VOLS INC.]

Lol

I was wondering who was gonna replace Turbo in 2025.

I think we have a winner!

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And how far has that gotten any of them? Has it improved things? Axing for a friend.

Vengeance never gets us anywhere. But that doesn't change the fact is a part of human nature.

 

[C-south]

Vengeance never gets us anywhere. But that doesn't change the fact is a part of human nature.

I thought it was being broke.

 

[C-south]

I was wondering who was gonna replace Turbo in 2025.

I think we have a winner!

They “stand on business”. “Let me go blow myself up and hopefully take some people with me”.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You let Obama brainwash you bro. That’s a shame.

No. I actually listened to what Osama Bin Laden said as to why he committed 9/11. His grievances were entirely geopolitical. Bin Laden's speech was actually trending on social media a few months ago and lots of Americans were hearing it for the first time and agreeing with him on the geopolitical grievances.

Whether you like it or not the terrorists have been explicit about why they're fighting the "great Satan" that is America. And it's not because of our freedom or the fact we're not Muslim like them. Their problems with our nation are in our actions around the globe. In particular the middle east.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

If you really want to waste an afternoon and potentially dislocate a rib or three laughing, ask him about Egyptian (or heck, Mediterranean) history.

Ancient Egyptian history aka Kemetic History. I don't really care for modern Egyptian history.

 

[C-south]

No. I actually listened to what Osama Bin Laden said as to why he committed 9/11. His grievances were entirely geopolitical. Bin Laden's speech was actually trending on social media a few months ago and lots of Americans were hearing it for the first time and agreeing with him on the geopolitical grievances.

Whether you like it or not the terrorists have been explicit about why they're fighting the "great Satan" that is America. And it's not because of our freedom or the fact we're not Muslim like them. Their problems with our nation are in our actions around the globe. In particular the middle east.

Sounds like you’re getting closer to paying your Isis dues.

 

[VOLS INC.]

They “stand on business”. “Let me go blow myself up and hopefully take some people with me”.

“Stand on business”. I’m gonna throw gay people from a rooftop.

“Stand on business”. I’m gonna rape Jewish children and cook babies in the oven.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You know the hilarious part of this? You just cosigned violence and terrorism.

I know. But the why is the question. Hence my comparison with black folks. Why is it that telling someone black the N-word will get you knocked out but a similar racial epithet directed at an Indian or Asian might not end up giving you a black eye? Are black people just more violent? Or is there a particular history around that word that might trigger a black person to violence more quickly than another group hearing a racial slur?

Violence from Muslims is triggered the same way. I've never denied in this thread that Islamic terrorism isn't a thing. I've simply been arguing with yall about why it exists. You guys are saying the cause is the religion. I'm saying it's the geopolitics and history of that region. Similarly black people ain't violent cause they're black. The reason you might get knocked out for calling someone black the N word is because of the history of said word.

Race and religion aren't the causes of violence. That's my argument. Not that violent individuals who happen to be Muslim or Black don't exist.