Nick Stephens

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#176
kptvol said:
I'm not the one claiming the 2000s were so much better than the 70s, getting smacked in the face with stats, and then offering no explanation other than "wipe your nose, I win".
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It was mostly because you got the stats wrong.

And then, in a period in which you have no living memory, you try to pass off a TN 1979 SEC championship against what is widely considered Bama's greatest team.
 
#177
#177
Time for gibbs to declare this thread and "EPIC FLAMEOUT!", declare victory, and leave before further humiliation.
 
#178
#178
utgibbs said:
You simply do not know what mediocre at TN means.

Unless you are a mature student. Then, welcome to your opinion, and I would ask how on earth the 2000s compare with the 1970s. ...
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kptvol said:
I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions:

1970-1979
W: 75
L: 39
T: 3
Winning Pct: 64%
Bowl Record: 4-2
SEC Champs: 1979

2000-2009
W: 83
L: 44
Winning Pct: 65%
Bowl Record: 3-6
SEC Champs: N/A
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Dam KPT; that is a Big Game, Set, and Match!!!
 
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#179
utgibbs said:
It was mostly because you got the stats wrong.

And then, in a period in which you have no living memory, you try to pass off a TN 1979 SEC championship against what is widely considered Bama's greatest team.
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Name one stat I got wrong.

I didn't pass anything off, I quoted UT's official site on SEC Championships. Call them if you have an issue.
 
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#181
Clearly, the fundamental principles of mathematics have conspired to screw Fulmer.
 
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#183
crusse10 said:
By today's standards, we'd have been eligible for a bowl in just as many games in the 70s as this past decade. The fact that bowls weren't set up the same way is the difference. Even though we played in fewer, we still won more, though. But I forgot, it's not about winning big games. It's about playing in them.
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And in 1970s standards we won the SEC outright in 2001. So, we won the SEC this decade. Another score for the 2000s.

Do I Game, Set, and Match this now, or do you still want to continue this ritual humiliation?

Who is always on y'all about historical perspective?

To whomever said North Texas and Vandy but not Wyoming - touche (although Wyoming is all on Hambone).
 
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#184
utgibbs said:
And in 1970s standards we won the SEC outright in 2001. So, we won the SEC this decade. Another score for the 2000s.

Do I Game, Set, and Match this now, or do you still want to continue this ritual humiliation?

Who is always on y'all about historical perspective?

To whomever said North Texas and Vandy but not Wyoming - touche (although Wyoming is all on Hambone).
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I get it. Now SEC Championships are important.

I'm waiting on how I got those stats wrong.

And I guess now we're blaming Roy Kramer for Fulmer's failures?
 
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#186
utgibbs said:
And in 1970s standards we won the SEC outright in 2001. So, we won the SEC this decade. Another score for the 2000s.

Do I Game, Set, and Match this now, or do you still want to continue this ritual humiliation?

Who is always on y'all about historical perspective?

To whomever said North Texas and Vandy but not Wyoming - touche (although Wyoming is all on Hambone).
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You'll notice how, even though I added why we weren't in bowls, I still played by your standards and let it go. I gave you a reason, but didn't base my point on that reason. I simply stated a fact and moved on from it. Even though we played in fewer bowl games, we still won more of them.
 
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crusse10 said:
You'll notice how, even though I added why we weren't in bowls, I still played by your standards and let it go. I gave you a reason, but didn't base my point on that reason. I simply stated a fact and moved on from it. Even though we played in fewer bowl games, we still won more of them.
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No, the bowl wins are there in the 1970s.
 
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#190
crusse10 said:
:blink:
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The bowl wins are there, but I'm not sure how we would have played in the same in the 1970s vis a vis.

And if fictional 1979 SEC Championships satisfy you the 1970's are better, you have to concede an actual SEC Championship (your absolute metric for success) in 2001 tips it to the 2000s.

utvolpj does make a good point (finally). Perhaps we just play more meaningful games overall in this era....
 
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#191
utgibbs said:
The bowl wins are there, but I'm not sure how we would have played in the same in the 1970s vis a vis.

And if fictional 1979 SEC Championships satisfy you the 1970's are better, you have to concede an actual SEC Championship (your absolute metric for success) in 2001 tips it to the 2000s.

utvolpj does make a good point (finally). Perhaps we just play more meaningful games overall in this era....
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You consider them meaningful. I consider them losses. 3 SECCGs. All losses. 8 bowls. 5 losses. In the "big games" of the 2000s, Fulmer went 3-8. That's failure.
 
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#192
utgibbs said:
The bowl wins are there, but I'm not sure how we would have played in the same in the 1970s vis a vis.

And if fictional 1979 SEC Championships satisfy you the 1970's are better, you have to concede an actual SEC Championship (your absolute metric for success) in 2001 tips it to the 2000s.

utvolpj does make a good point (finally). Perhaps we just play more meaningful games overall in this era....
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No one said the 70s were better. You said they weren't comparable. Appears they are if you're struggling to find reasons the 2000s were better.
 
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kptvol said:
No one said the 70s were better. You said they weren't comparable. Appears they are if you're struggling to find reasons the 2000s were better.
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That's one way to concede.

Fair enough - they are comparable.
 
#195
#195
utvolpj said:
he was told to throw a pick-6 and an almost pick-6 (that resulted in a TD anyway)
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You execute the play you're told. If the other team lucks out with an INT or something, or recognizes the called play but you're under orders (Catch-22) to follow orders, then yes what you say above is pretty much it.
 
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#199
kptvol said:
So, we were in fact, mediocre for the last decade.
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KPT, I think it said it all when you googled up Roy Kramer for your info, and gave us the 1979 SEC Championship.

I think I'll just defer to LWS (who also remembers that time) and believes it was worse in the 70s than in the noughties.

But I will admit, the 70s blends into the mid-80s effectively as well which colors my perception of the decade.
 
#200
#200
if you made a bowl game in the 70s there is a very good chance you are playing better competition than you'd see in the outback bowl or whatever today.
 
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