Nico leaving?? [NOPE]

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deatojl said:
I'm not sure where you are getting your information but Peyton was 244/380(64.2%) for 2954 yds with 22 TDs and 4 INTs his Sophomore season. Nico was 213/334(63.8%) for 2616 yds with 19 TDs and 5 INTs this season. While Peyton had the better season, it wasn't a huge discrepancy and Peyton had started 8 games his Freshman season.
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I hit 33 typing fast meant to hit 22 but Peyton was in the Heisman voting and won the Davey Obrien QB award so it don't matter to me I was just pointing out that Nico is basically in his second year if he's as good as advertised next year will be his last and on to the NFL. if you think Nico is better that's great for us moving forward should win or be in contention for SECC.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I stopped reading when you put the likes of Dobbs Bray Fromm Eason and Chris Leak in same sentence as Tebow Manziel Tua Lawrence
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They’re not the same caliber player, but all of them made bigger impacts than Nico and that’s just a fact. Also Jake Fromm took a team that was more or less comparable in talent to this years team to a national championship as a freshman. Chris Leak set just about every passing record at Florida by the time he was done and won a national championship there
 
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CAVPUT said:
We shall see.
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I know you've established this persona as the "nega-vol" that some might find endearing in some bizarre way, maybe because you've played that role for years on here. But damn, it really gets tiresome. Not just you, but also your partners in crime who traverse the same path and claim to be such loyal fans.

Constructive criticism as part of a discussion is a great thing that enhances forums like this one, but constant unabated negativity just for its own sake gets so old and predictable.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Yes it was. Stiil, it's one thing to practice or play some snaps in mop up duty vs being the starting QB in the SEC with very little talent around him. Just hate that this staff may have wasted Nicos time here...how ever long it turns out to be. Watch him transfer, explode and win a natty or heistman. Such a UT thang.
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If Nico was highly sought after by other universities willing to match his market value he would likely be gone by now. He’s simply not very good at the moment. He was the second best QB on the field for close to half of the games he played this season, and you don’t pay a QB 8M over 4 years to redshirt in year 1 and be the second best QB on the field in most of their games in year 2. Sure his WR room wasn’t elite, but there’s significant problems he has as a QB that have nothing to do with the quality of the weapons around him. He locks in on one side of the field, and it oftentimes causes him to not see open guys on the other side and when his first read or two isn’t there he gets happy feet and panics. I know he’s still somewhat young to an extent, but so is DJ Lagway and they look like 2 completely different caliber players. Look at what Jacob Eason did during crunch time against what was really a fairly talented defense against us in 2016. The point is you expect a player of his caliber to not struggle as much early on in their career as a typical RS Freshman QB. If the staff knew it was going to take 3-4 years for him to reach his potential they would’ve been better off using that money on Dillon Gabriel and Marcel Reed
 
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VawlIn said:
If Nico was highly sought after by other universities willing to match his market value he would likely be gone by now. He’s simply not very good at the moment. He was the second best QB on the field for close to half of the games he played this season, and you don’t pay a QB 8M over 4 years to redshirt in year 1 and be the second best QB on the field in most of their games in year 2. Sure his WR room wasn’t elite, but there’s significant problems he has as a QB that have nothing to do with the quality of the weapons around him. He locks in on one side of the field, and it oftentimes causes him to not see open guys on the other side and when his first read or two isn’t there he gets happy feet and panics. I know he’s still somewhat young to an extent, but so is DJ Lagway and they look like 2 completely different caliber players. Look at what Jacob Eason did during crunch time against what was really a fairly talented defense against us in 2016. The point is you expect a player of his caliber to not struggle as much early on in their career as a typical RS Freshman QB. If the staff knew it was going to take 3-4 years for him to reach his potential they would’ve been better off using that money on Dillon Gabriel and Marcel Reed
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Dude..... Jacob Eason had WR's something we don't have the luxury of atm. He also had a much better OL. You can not compare that. I wish he would just go ahead and transfer to a solidified program with an OL and WRs and shut all of you the hell up. The truth is if NICO played at OSU right now they would be undefeated and he would have Heisman before he left. If you don't believe watch and damn see. He has until midnight
 
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VawlIn said:
If Nico was highly sought after by other universities willing to match his market value he would likely be gone by now. He’s simply not very good at the moment. He was the second best QB on the field for close to half of the games he played this season, and you don’t pay a QB 8M over 4 years to redshirt in year 1 and be the second best QB on the field in most of their games in year 2. Sure his WR room wasn’t elite, but there’s significant problems he has as a QB that have nothing to do with the quality of the weapons around him. He locks in on one side of the field, and it oftentimes causes him to not see open guys on the other side and when his first read or two isn’t there he gets happy feet and panics. I know he’s still somewhat young to an extent, but so is DJ Lagway and they look like 2 completely different caliber players. Look at what Jacob Eason did during crunch time against what was really a fairly talented defense against us in 2016. The point is you expect a player of his caliber to not struggle as much early on in their career as a typical RS Freshman QB. If the staff knew it was going to take 3-4 years for him to reach his potential they would’ve been better off using that money on Dillon Gabriel and Marcel Reed
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Dumb argument is dumb. If Nico wanted to leave, he would’ve have a problem. It seems Miami has reached out according to AP.

Texas paid a QB (Manning) that much or more to do exactly what you’re saying you don’t pay Nico to do.

Locking in on one side isn’t a Nico thing, it’s a this offense thing and largely a college football thing.

As to your last point about if it takes him 3-4 years to reach his potential, that’s true of nearly any player with elite potential.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Dude..... Jacob Eason had WR's something we don't have the luxury of atm. He also had a much better OL. You can not compare that. I wish he would just go ahead and transfer to a solidified program with an OL and WRs and shut all of you the hell up. The truth is if NICO played at OSU right now they would be undefeated and he would have Heisman before he left. If you don't believe watch and damn see. He has until midnight
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Outside of Mecole Hardman Eason and Nico’s weapons were fairly comparable. Nico also didn’t have the luxury of having an OC/QB coach that had a long and proven track record of developing QBs (Jim Chaney, the guy that brought Hendon Hooker in that everyone thought was no good 😂) instead of taking already developed guys and teaching them how to run a system. I’m not putting it all on Nico, 70% of it is on the staff for not developing him and failing to recruit and develop NFL caliber OL and WRs and for not adapting their offensive philosophy to their personnel. I know we don’t have any sure fire NFL picks at WR, but there’s no way our talent has regressed to the point that our passing game is as non existent as it was, and if it has what does that say about this staff’s ability to evaluate and develop players? I also don’t doubt that Nico would do those things at Ohio State, because Ryan Day does an excellent job at developing QBs and hires assistants that do the same at their positions
 
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Don't see him leaving but with a $hitty OL and sorry OL I wouldn't blame him....IMO with Heupel and his so called offensive mind we shouldn't ever be in this shape going into year 5. I can't see where it will be much better offensively next season.
 
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VawlIn said:
Outside of Mecole Hardman Eason and Nico’s weapons were fairly comparable. Nico also didn’t have the luxury of having an OC/QB coach that had a long and proven track record of developing QBs (Jim Chaney, the guy that brought Hendon Hooker in that everyone thought was no good 😂) instead of taking already developed guys and teaching them how to run a system. I’m not putting it all on Nico, 70% of it is on the staff for not developing him and failing to recruit and develop NFL caliber OL and WRs and for not adapting their offensive philosophy to their personnel. I know we don’t have any sure fire NFL picks at WR, but there’s no way our talent has regressed to the point that our passing game is as non existent as it was, and if it has what does that say about this staff’s ability to evaluate and develop players? I also don’t doubt that Nico would do those things at Ohio State, because Ryan Day does an excellent job at developing QBs and hires assistants that do the same at their positions
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And I wasn't saying that Nico doesnt need to improve. All players should have a goal of getting better. I agree and I think he will. Just wondering if it is gonna be as a VOL next season.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Dumb argument is dumb. If Nico wanted to leave, he would’ve have a problem. It seems Miami has reached out according to AP.

Texas paid a QB (Manning) that much or more to do exactly what you’re saying you don’t pay Nico to do.

Locking in on one side isn’t a Nico thing, it’s a this offense thing and largely a college football thing.

As to your last point about if it takes him 3-4 years to reach his potential, that’s true of nearly any player with elite potential.
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Arch is sitting behind a QB that went into Alabama last year and busted their ass and was a former number 1 overall player and led them to the college football playoff.

Only giving a QB half of the field to work with with 2 reads hinders the development of your QB and receivers and make it tougher for guys to get open, and leaning on that type of system will stunt his growth as a QB. Also there are plays where there’s not a defender within 6-7 yards of a guy in the slot to the field and his eyes never even go to that side of the field. That’s unacceptable for a coaching staff to do that to an 8M dollar QB. There used to be a time when HS QBs would check into a hot route in those scenarios and quick snap it and get the ball out for 7-8 yards. Instead we just teach tempo tempo tempo and our guys aren’t actually learning how to play the position and the ball gets snapped on 3rd and long and we go into a play action fake and his eyes go directly to the boundary

Obviously it takes years for QBs to reach their potential, but we don’t even know what we’re getting in year 3 with him. So far we essentially have a 6’6 Nick Marshall
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Dude..... Jacob Eason had WR's something we don't have the luxury of atm. He also had a much better OL. You can not compare that. I wish he would just go ahead and transfer to a solidified program with an OL and WRs and shut all of you the hell up. The truth is if NICO played at OSU right now they would be undefeated and he would have Heisman before he left. If you don't believe watch and damn see. He has until midnight
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An O-line that somehow helped make Sampson the sec player of the year but couldn’t make a qb throw the ball to terrible highly rated portal receivers he never looked for. ATM Nico just isn’t very good.
 
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deatojl said:
DJ Lagway-115/192(59.9%), 1,915 Yds, 12TD/9INT, 57.7 QBR
Nico-213/334(63.8%), 2,616 Yds, 19TD/5INT, 70.3 QBR
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Florida beats us as well as Georgia if Lagway starts and finishes both games. Lagway is light years ahead of him as far as pocket presence, seeing the field, arm strength, and has a build that translates much better to todays game than Nico
 
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sami said:
I know you've established this persona as the "nega-vol" that some might find endearing in some bizarre way, maybe because you've played that role for years on here. But damn, it really gets tiresome. Not just you, but also your partners in crime who traverse the same path and claim to be such loyal fans.

Constructive criticism as part of a discussion is a great thing that enhances forums like this one, but constant unabated negativity just for its own sake gets so old and predictable.
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These “realists” are not as smart as they let on.
 
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VawlIn said:
Arch is sitting behind a QB that went into Alabama last year and busted their ass and was a former number 1 overall player and led them to the college football playoff.
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There’s so much wrong in this post it’s hard to know where to start so I’ll break it down to multiple replies…..

1. So they’re getting nothing out of Arch for 2 years. Wasn’t that your entire reason why we shouldn’t have taken Nico?
 
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KTrain said:
So, you're saying Nico has surpassed Peyton 2nd season Nico did come in and have Spring practice and this was 3rd post season game he practiced for but if hes

Nothing revisionist about it, Peyton won it over Brandon Stewart they went back and forth on playing time several games that year after Colquitt got hurt 1st game vs UCLA and Todd Helton played one game and quit to concentrate on baseball. Peyton finally won out, a bunch on here wanted Stewart because he was more mobile and could run better Stewart transferred to A&M and led them to the B-12 conference championship his Sr. year beating K State and knocking them out of the Natty. Him & Stewart were in a heated battle up to mid season Stewart was a top-notch college QB.
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LMAO. You basically just repeated what I said.So thanks for thw validation. Bottom line he was 3rd string at best coming out of fall camp. That’s not “winning” the job.
 
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VawlIn said:
Florida beats us as well as Georgia if Lagway starts and finishes both games. Lagway is light years ahead of him as far as pocket presence, seeing the field, arm strength, and has a build that translates much better to todays game than Nico
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All they had to do was go for 2 after our “upgraded” secondary let them walk into the end zone.
 
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