NLRB Rules College Athletes are EMPLOYEES

[Hairy Vols]

Just because the athletes might enjoy the sport they play and love it, that doesn't necessarily make it fun. There are a lot of people who love what they do, but certainly don't consider it fun. And if there is compensation involved, it can surely be considered work. Forget about NIL, many of these athletes---basketball in the case of Dartmouth---are on full ride scholarships. I can only imagine the cost of tuition and board and other perks at an Ivy League school. I would definitely consider that compensation for services rendered.

I am currently serving in the military. They pay for my housing, my education, and my food for my family and myself.

I can promise you this, if they decided that was enough and didn’t give me a paycheck I wouldn’t have even considered joining.

Services are not rendered just because you get a free education and free room and board.. and they generate a lot more revenue than myself.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I think it’s time to kill it.

They killed the golden goose.

Zero NIL. Zilch.

You want to get paid to play ? Go to the NFL minor leagues like a baseball player has to. There will be less fanfare than double A HS ball in west Toledo during a snow storm.

You wanna play CFB in front of a hundred thousand fans and millions more on TV? You can have a free ride to college and that’s it. Because guess what ? The fans of CFB will show up with water boys playing.

To hell with paying them. I say we kill it right now.
You wanna play in NCAA sports? You’re an amateur. You don’t get any NIL. You want NIL?
Go join the NFL d league.
This is simple. Every school agr weees to it and make it a private voluntary organization. You don’t have to play in the NCAA- but if you do, then no NIL money. Go straight to the NFL. We don’t care. No more asking for more money every year. Golden goose says business is permanently closed.

That is blatantly illegal. It's a violation of at least two longstanding federal laws and the federal injunction in the Tennessee and Virginia vs NCAA case.

It is illegal for the NCAA or a university to interfere in it restrict a NIL deal between two other parties, in any way.

There is too much money in college football to kill it. No college administrator or BOT is that stupid.

 

[Hairy Vols]

That is blatantly illegal. It's a violation of at least two longstanding federal laws and the federal injunction in the Tennessee and Virginia vs NCAA case.

It is illegal for the NCAA or a university to interfere in it restrict a NIL deal between two other parties, in any way.

There is too much money in college football to kill it. No college administrator or BOT is that stupid.

This over and over. Its a blatant fact nobody loves college football like the south.. yet the south seems to be hypocritical in the fact they want to limit individuals rights to make money, which is the back bone of our entire country. They want to take away the rights of citizens to make money on their names because it “hurts football.”

I would counter argue if they don’t like college players getting paid go watch local high school games. Don’t punish players because they have some weird ideological fallacy about what “true” college football is.

Fact is it has always been about money. Everyone, before this, cheated and paid players in more ways than we will ever know.

Bama likely cheated, we likely cheated, Texas likely cheated, USC likely cheated.. hell I’d argue the only SEC school with their nose clean is likely Vandy.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Not true. Good basketball players leave all the time after a year or two--the one and done, two and done, one/two and transfer. Hasn't affected the quality of college basketball at all.

Calling student-athletes employees is stupid. College football /BB have spun out of control--and so have the players. You want to be an employee? Fine: No academic scholarship--the schools now need the money anyway---and coaches should kick all under-performers or the less talented off the team at their discretion. I promise you this: even with this NCAA settlement, the demands will keep coming. A couple of idiot judges have opened a pandora's box. There is this narrative that everybody's been getting rich on the backs on the players. It's nonsense. There are only about 25 athletic departments, on average, that make a profit every year--the rest lose money. Who exactly is getting rich? The coaches are very well paid--but they are experienced real employees--not college students. Athletic directors should stop their idiotic tendency to rush an extension offer to the football coach when he has one good or even just above average season. A coach has a nice season and these goofy ADs want to give a major raise and lengthy extension to the guy when he's still got three or more years left on his contract. It's idiocy.

The only real college sports left now are the non-revenue sports---good sports, all of them, with talented and very well-rounded student-athletes playing them. Football and basketball have just become big, seedy money grabs by everybody involved with them.

So, if the universities, administrators, professors, coaches, etc... are not getting rich off the players how can they afford to pay them $2.8 B for back damages and over $1 B per YEAR going forward? (Hint: Because all of them have are getting rich off the players).

Sorry you fell for the "woe is me" budget reports from...wait for it...the NCAA. LMAO

You could resolve your cognitive dissonance on this topic if you would spend half as much time researching as you do making asinine posts...there are lot's of reasons (e.g., transfer cost accounting anyone?) why these programs show little/no profit but it definitely isn't because they are struggling financially but carry on with your ignorant hysterics.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

So, if the universities, administrators, professors, coaches, etc... are not getting rich off the players how can they afford to pay them $2.8 B for back damages and over $1 B per YEAR going forward? (Hint: Because all of them have are getting rich off the players).

Sorry you fell for the "woe is me" budget reports from...wait for it...the NCAA. LMAO

You could resolve your cognitive dissonance on this topic if you would spend half as much time researching as you do making asinine posts...there are lot's of reasons (e.g., transfer cost accounting anyone?) why these programs show little/no profit but it definitely isn't because they are struggling financially but carry on with your ignorant hysterics.

You got it right. Now, see here, this is the real problem. Big whigs and the privileged are all gung ho for capitalism as long as it doesn't benefit "the others." That's the very reason that strikes, unions, and other defensive measures of "workers" came to be in the first place. They understood the message of, it's fine for "us" to be enriched, but not you.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I am currently serving in the military. They pay for my housing, my education, and my food for my family and myself.

I can promise you this, if they decided that was enough and didn’t give me a paycheck I wouldn’t have even considered joining.

Services are not rendered just because you get a free education and free room and board.. and they generate a lot more revenue than myself.

Thanks for the lesson, you didn't even know you were teaching me. I had to move along from your post at first, but came back. Then finally, due to some very old-fashioned ideas about serving, I swallowed hard and gave you a like. What pushed me to do so was remembering seeing vets on the street in ragged clothing. Suffering either illness or battle injuries or job related injures, limping painfully along, or scoot about in a wheelchair poorly designed for what they really needed. I could go on and on, but you get the ideas. Well, it hit me that this isn't too unlike former great players who I've read about sleeping under overpass bridges, being mocked for being slow moving, etc. I wondered how many gave their all at whatever college they played, didn't work out as a pro, or got injured, and the pre-NIL and pre-player salary days left them no avenue of recovery. I had to agree with your post at that point.

 

[volfan102455]

So, if the universities, administrators, professors, coaches, etc... are not getting rich off the players how can they afford to pay them $2.8 B for back damages and over $1 B per YEAR going forward? (Hint: Because all of them have are getting rich off the players).

Sorry you fell for the "woe is me" budget reports from...wait for it...the NCAA. LMAO

You could resolve your cognitive dissonance on this topic if you would spend half as much time researching as you do making asinine posts...there are lot's of reasons (e.g., transfer cost accounting anyone?) why these programs show little/no profit but it definitely isn't because they are struggling financially but carry on with your ignorant hysterics.

I don't believe they can support all this without cutting out a lot of programs and even then, there is a possibility that a few will pay for ALL by giving more to the NCAA to cover the bill.

Be prepared, pretty soon all we will have is football.

 

[volfan102455]

I am currently serving in the military. They pay for my housing, my education, and my food for my family and myself.

I can promise you this, if they decided that was enough and didn’t give me a paycheck I wouldn’t have even considered joining.

Services are not rendered just because you get a free education and free room and board.. and they generate a lot more revenue than myself.

Not the same - you are paid a fair wage for your service. That is not what the athletes are asking for.

Edited to add - as you are serving in the military, you are probably not making what you really should. Military > college athletes.

 

[Hairy Vols]

Not the same - you are paid a fair wage for your service. That is not what the athletes are asking for.

And fair wage is determined by who? They generate and have much value financially than me individually. It is in fact, the exact same thing.

 

[Hairy Vols]

Thanks for the lesson, you didn't even know you were teaching me. I had to move along from your post at first, but came back. Then finally, due to some very old-fashioned ideas about serving, I swallowed hard and gave you a like. What pushed me to do so was remembering seeing vets on the street in ragged clothing. Suffering either or battle injuries or job related injures, limping painfully along, or scoot about in a wheelchair poorly designed for what they really needed. I could go on and on, but you get the ideas. Well, it hit me that this isn't too unlike former great players who I've read about sleeping under overpass bridges, being mocked for moving slow moving, etc. I wondered how many gave their all at whatever college they played, didn't work out as a pro, or got injured, and the pre-NIL and pre-player salary days left them no avenue of recovery. I had to agree with your post at that point.

CTE, injuries before turning pro bc they are forced to go to college because the 1% deemed they have to play for free before getting paid, etc. You are very correct in that assessment brother.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

This over and over. Its a blatant fact nobody loves college football like the south.. yet the south seems to be hypocritical in the fact they want to limit individuals rights to make money, which is the back bone of our entire country. They want to take away the rights of citizens to make money on their names because it “hurts football.”

I would counter argue if they don’t like college players getting paid go watch local high school games. Don’t punish players because they have some weird ideological fallacy about what “true” college football is.

Fact is it has always been about money. Everyone, before this, cheated and paid players in more ways than we will ever know.

Bama likely cheated, we likely cheated, Texas likely cheated, USC likely cheated.. hell I’d argue the only SEC school with their nose clean is likely Vandy.

And why would assume Vandy didn’t cheat? Back in the old days they were a good football team and the primary reason General Neyland was hired to beat them.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Not the same - you are paid a fair wage for your service. That is not what the athletes are asking for.

Of course it's what the athletes are asking for.

 

[Hairy Vols]

And why would assume Vandy didn’t cheat? Back in the old days they were a good football team and the primary reason General Neyland was hired to beat them.

Out of all that you focused on the passing joke I made?

I’m not going to debate if they cheated during an era where we hired a coach born in 1892, because if I am being honest I do not care lol. Mainly because I was just doing it to make a stab at Vandy for being the running joke of the SEC.

 

[Firebirdparts]

Of course it's what the athletes are asking for.

I don't think so either. Everybody says
1. Create a professional minor league sport
2. Pay all the minor league sport professionals $10 million.

You watch. The greater fool theory will soon discover maximum fool size and it will be shrinking, going the other way.

 

[volfan102455]

Of course it's what the athletes are asking for.

Fair wage to many implies millions. Sorry but it would not take billions of dollars to pay the athletes like "other folks" get paid.

And I am not talking about coaches as that is not a fair comparison. A head coach is like a CEO of a corporation.

 

[reecetn]

What portal? I have never ben an employee anywhere I could not quit at any time I felt like it and find another job.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I don't think so either. Everybody says
1. Create a professional minor league sport
2. Pay all the minor league sport professionals $10 million.

You watch. The greater fool theory will soon discover maximum fool size and it will be shrinking, going the other way.

That's not accurate. The schools aren't paying an individual $10 million. They will have a salary cap of $20 million annually.
They're not going to give half if it to a single athlete.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Fair wage to many implies millions. Sorry but it would not take billions of dollars to pay the athletes like "other folks" get paid.

And I am not talking about coaches as that is not a fair comparison. A head coach is like a CEO of a corporation.

If you aren't talking about coaches, it's because it's ducking a discussion of the hypocrisy in not talking about coaches.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

I don't believe they can support all this without cutting out a lot of programs and even then, there is a possibility that a few will pay for ALL by giving more to the NCAA to cover the bill.

Be prepared, pretty soon all we will have is football.

I don't doubt programs will be cut

 

[Carp]

Nope.

Doesn't change the point I was making in any way.

Every college football player, and every pro in the NFL, XFL, arena league, all of them, they all started playing the sport for fun. Usually as pre-teen kids in Pop Warner or some community league. They picked up the sport of football for fun.

They played in junior high for fun.

They played in high school for fun.

And the vast majority of the ones in college, they're playing for fun, too.

So do you really believe the college players who ARE getting paid, they suddenly decided the sport isn't fun?

If it's something a person would do for free, it's not work. The fact that some do get paid doesn't change that.

What a ridiculous statement.

Is Carpentry not work? Cause it's one of the most enjoyable and relaxing things I do.

Just because most people hate their jobs doesn't make it a requirement that everyone else should too.

 

[DuckinVol]

What portal? I have never ben an employee anywhere I could not quit at any time I felt like it and find another job.

I, and a whole lot of folks I know, sure have. There are many fields where employment contracts limit your options to work elsewhere for a period of time.

 

[reecetn]

I, and a whole lot of folks I know, sure have. There are many fields where employment contracts limit your options to work elsewhere for a period of time.

Fields without leverage. Few and far between.

 

[DuckinVol]

Fields without leverage. Few and far between.

Sales, marketing, product development, comms and numerous others where high performance people are coveted. Sometimes the contracts hold up in court, and sometimes they don’t.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I don't doubt programs will be cut

So non revenue sports will need to stand on their own, just like any other business, or at least with less subsidy from football and MBB?

 

[volfan102455]

So non revenue sports will need to stand in their own, just like a y other business, or at least with less subsidy from football and MBB?

I do believe that is what will happen. The money that is typically used to fund other sports is going to need to be used to pay the football players.

Either that or ticket prices are going to increase drastically or maybe there will be corporate sponsorships for the stadiums. Maybe we will have Food City Stadium instead of Neyland.

The only sports that are able to stand on their own are Football and Men's Basketball.