No “God Bless the USA,” “In God We Trust,” on school posters.

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lawgator1 said:
The day we judge the educational process or our schools by what's on a couple of posters in the hallway is the day we officially give up on academics and intellect and instead shift to mantras and slogans.
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In short, you will continue to vote democrat?

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JZVOL said:
That's a huge difference in us. I have no problem with God's retribution, much in the same way I have no problem with my father on Earth punishing me for my actions. I understand that the wages of sin is death and have no problem with it.

Well I do not think there are bad parts of the Bible. There are plenty of things I don't understand, but not understanding something doesn't make it bad.
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What would you think if you asked a Muslim to explain the violence and blood-letting retribution preached in the Qu'ran, and you got an answer like this? Seriously, read your answer again and interchange "God" with "Allah", and "Bible" with "Qu'ran". You would laugh him out of the room.

I'll let you in on a secret that the civilized world understands...genocide, infantcide, and slavery are bad, no matter what. Simply being in the Bible doesn't make it better because you "don't understand".

JZVOL said:
See you just hit the nail on the head at what's wrong with society's view of Christianity. We are trying to fit God (Jesus) into what we want Him to be for us, instead of searching for His truth and His commands on how to live life, which never changes. We are the ones who bastardized God's words, not God.
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I still say that the problem lies completely in that fact that we are holding onto bronze-age "truths" as told by a primitive and superstitious people as absolute and unchanging. Not to mention that even if you consider it Gods word, you would have to acknowledge it was corrupted along the way by man. Nuance is needed for much of the Bible. The fact that you keep bringing up Jesus and discarding the less than compassionate parts of the Bible demonstrates you are doing this very thing.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The day we judge the educational process or our schools by what's on a couple of posters in the hallway is the day we officially give up on academics and intellect and instead shift to mantras and slogans.
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Svoboda i Brat'sva!!

Khleb i Zemlya!!

Global warming!!

Universial health care!!
 
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rjd970 said:
What would you think if you asked a Muslim to explain the violence and blood-letting retribution preached in the Qu'ran, and you got an answer like this? Seriously, read your answer again and interchange "God" with "Allah", and "Bible" with "Qu'ran". You would laugh him out of the room.

I'll let you in on a secret that the civilized world understands...genocide, infantcide, and slavery are bad, no matter what. Simply being in the Bible doesn't make it better because you "don't understand".



I still say that the problem lies completely in that fact that we are holding onto bronze-age "truths" as told by a primitive and superstitious people as absolute and unchanging. Not to mention that even if you consider it Gods word, you would have to acknowledge it was corrupted along the way by man. Nuance is needed for much of the Bible. The fact that you keep bringing up Jesus and discarding the less than compassionate parts of the Bible demonstrates you are doing this very thing.
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Come on now, you know as well as I do that the historicity of Jesus proves he was a man and there is no way you can argue that his teaching of love and compassion are in any way a harm to society.

I will argue we have bastardized the faith for our own well being and this is where we are arguing over the old testament and such.
 
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rjd970 said:
What would you think if you asked a Muslim to explain the violence and blood-letting retribution preached in the Qu'ran, and you got an answer like this? Seriously, read your answer again and interchange "God" with "Allah", and "Bible" with "Qu'ran". You would laugh him out of the room.

I'll let you in on a secret that the civilized world understands...genocide, infantcide, and slavery are bad, no matter what. Simply being in the Bible doesn't make it better because you "don't understand".



I still say that the problem lies completely in that fact that we are holding onto bronze-age "truths" as told by a primitive and superstitious people as absolute and unchanging. Not to mention that even if you consider it Gods word, you would have to acknowledge it was corrupted along the way by man. Nuance is needed for much of the Bible. The fact that you keep bringing up Jesus and discarding the less than compassionate parts of the Bible demonstrates you are doing this very thing.
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God bad, nothing good.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Come on now, you know as well as I do that the historicity of Jesus proves he was a man and there is no way you can argue that his teaching of love and compassion are in any way a harm to society.

I will argue we have bastardized the faith for our own well being and this is where we are arguing over the old testament and such.
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Where do you get that I am saying Jesus' teachings would be a harm to today's society? I said nothing of the such.

And the bastardization of the faith is a matter of perspective. Fundamentalists christian sects say the same thing about mainstream christianity and vice versa...same thing with fundamentalist Islam vs. moderate Islam...sunni vs. shiite, etc...That is the whole problem with looking at this issue in right and wrong....unchanging...and absolute truth.
 
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Do scientists not disagree? If yes you better find something else to focus on because they're all a bunch of liars with agendas and are twisting things to fit.
 
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Also for something you have zero use for, you are very quick to jump in and tell everyone how wrong and absurd their beliefs are.
 
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JZVOL said:
Do scientists not disagree? If yes you better find something else to focus on because they're all a bunch of liars with agendas and are twisting things to fit.
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Science is continually changing based on new evidence as it arises. Scientific beliefs are based in the merits of the evidence involved, and if needed after much debate, theories are tweaked here and there to fit the given evidence. No scientist ever claimed he knew everything or that his theories would never change.

The reason why there is disagreement in scientific quaters is because it is a huge liability to be certain and wrong at the same time. With science, certainty is fleeting and absolutes are extremely rare. Religion is opposite of this. There is so much disagreement in religions because everybody is certain they are right.

That is a monumental philosophical difference.
 
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JZVOL said:
Also for something you have zero use for, you are very quick to jump in and tell everyone how wrong and absurd their beliefs are.
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As are you quick to jump in and tell everybody how right Christianity is. The only difference here is I'm the minority with my beliefs.
 
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As an example, global warming is true because the Earth is coming out of an ice age and had to melt all the ice?
 
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rjd970 said:
Science is continually changing based on new evidence as it arises. Scientific beliefs are based in the merits of the evidence involved, and if needed after much debate, theories are tweaked here and there to fit the given evidence. No scientist ever claimed he knew everything or that his theories would never change.

The reason why there is disagreement in scientific quaters is because it is a huge liability to be certain and wrong at the same time. With science, certainty is fleeting and absolutes are extremely rare. Religion is opposite of this. There is so much disagreement in religions because everybody is certain they are right.

That is a monumental philosophical difference.
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A few questions then. What evidence has come to light, since Jesus' death that should change Christianity or cause His word to be irrelevant?

Why hasn't Science been able to prove Jesus was a fraud?

Where is Jesus' body? It's funny to think Christianity would have died with Him if they hadn't of misplaced that body.
 
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rjd970 said:
As are you quick to jump in and tell everybody how right Christianity is. The only difference here is I'm the minority with my beliefs.
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Good job as usual not answering the question. Funny though how it's in threads about God or a Christian related topic.

I don't venture, too often into topics, I find worthless and useless.
 
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JZVOL said:
A few questions then. What evidence has come to light, since Jesus' death that should change Christianity or cause His word to be irrelevant?

Why hasn't Science been able to prove Jesus was a fraud?

Where is Jesus' body? It's funny to think Christianity would have died with Him if they hadn't of misplaced that body.
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I would say Christianity and Jesus' word can be separate. I understand His teachings are the cornerstone, but Christianity itself is made of of the Judeo tradition as well. I have no problem with the fundamental teachings of Jesus himself. I don't know how I can make that any more clear to you.

As far as evidence, I would bring up the inquisitions, witch hunts, and crusades as examples that it is not as benign as one thinks. Of course you will say that those are only men corrupting God's word, but then that kind of negates parts of the Bible that you presumeably still subscribe to.

Why hasn't science been able to prove Jesus was a fraud? I don't know, why hasn't science been able to prove Muhammed, Kirshna, or Osiris was a fraud? I would assume you think the God's of Olympus are ridiculous to believe in. According to the Qu'ran, Muhammed ascended to heaven on a winged horse in front of witnesses. Why don't you find this compelling? Where is his body? The point I am making is you can't disprove a negative...and stories of miracles, ascensions to heaven and virgin births certainly aren't unique to Christianity.

What's funny is to think that you would use such evidentiary cause and effect for your faith...and then fail to see the same merits of it when applied to other faiths.
 
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JZVOL said:
Good job as usual not answering the question. Funny though how it's in threads about God or a Christian related topic.

I don't venture, too often into topics, I find worthless and useless.
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I'll answer the question. Because I think your justifications are wrong and hypocritical. As I'm sure you think mine are.

If you don't like the discussion, feel free to place me on ignore or stop looking in this thread. I'm sorry you can't handle it.
 
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rjd970 said:
I would say Christianity and Jesus' word can be separate. I understand His teachings are the cornerstone, but Christianity itself is made of of the Judeo tradition as well. I have no problem with the fundamental teachings of Jesus himself. I don't know how I can make that any more clear to you.

As far as evidence, I would bring up the inquisitions, witch hunts, and crusades as examples that it is not as benign as one thinks. Of course you will say that those are only men corrupting God's word, but then that kind of negates parts of the Bible that you presumeably still subscribe to.

Why hasn't science been able to prove Jesus was a fraud? I don't know, why hasn't science been able to prove Muhammed, Kirshna, or Osiris was a fraud? I would assume you think the God's of Olympus are ridiculous to believe in. According to the Qu'ran, Muhammed ascended to heaven on a winged horse in front of witnesses. Why don't you find this compelling? Where is his body? The point I am making is you can't disprove a negative...and stories of miracles, ascensions to heaven and virgin births certainly aren't unique to Christianity.

What's funny is to think that you would use such evidentiary cause and effect for your faith...and then fail to see the same merits of it when applied to other faiths.
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When have I said I don't see it?
 
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JZVOL said:
Who are Obama and Biden exactly smarter than?
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:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:

Well obviously not smarter than the world's smartest woman!!

"In 1940, teachers were asked what they regarded as the three major problems in American schools. They identified the three major problems as: Littering, noise, and chewing gum. Teachers last year were asked what the three major problems in American schools were, and they defined them as: Rape, assault, and suicide."
– William Bennett (1993)

"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle."
– Winston Churchill (1903)

"The threat posed by humans to the natural environment is nothing compared to the threat to humans posed by global environmental policy."
– Fred L. Smith (1992)
 
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rjd970 said:
I'll answer the question. Because I think your justifications are wrong and hypocritical. As I'm sure you think mine are.

If you don't like the discussion, feel free to place me on ignore or stop looking in this thread. I'm sorry you can't handle it.
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Who said I can't handle it? I like the discussion which is why I'm here. I'm trying to understand you, not mock you like it appears you like to do to my faith.

I'm simply asking why you are so eager to jump into religious topics to try and prove everyone wrong if religion and God is something you find worthless?
 
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