No More "Boy" Scouts

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#101
Grand Vol said:
$250 is a lot for some families to pony up.

There are additional charges for different programs.
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There are all kinds of ways they can earn the money as a Troop to pay for summer camp. The national scouts have a holiday popcorn sales. Some troops sell Christmas Trees and wreathes. Some have "yard work days" and a gang of kids show up to clear your yard of leaves, aerate (older kids only), whatever. My troop sold Christmas Trees and it only cost us $21 per kid each year. I don't know why for sure, but I think the $21 was the initial cost per kid for buying the trees the first year they did it and never changed. But it did put $ in the troop's petty cash drawer.

We had enough extra equipment no kid in need had to buy anything to go camping. Tents, packs, mess kits, sleeping bags, canteens, troop sized iron kettles and dutch ovens, a big covered trailer to haul it. Several kids dads were doctors and we could have run a surgery out of our First Aid kit. In fact, it's one of those doctors who encouraged my so to be a doctor.
 
#102
#102
Septic said:
For a week plus meals, it's pretty reasonable compared to many summer camps. Additionally, most camps have "scholarships" for kids that need financial assistance.
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My daughters 8th grade trip (for next year) is $1,000. $1,300 if one of the parents wanna go, that's additional. They have financial assistance, but "we make too much". That's a lot of money for a trip, granted they get 2 days at universal, a trip to Kennedy Space center, and a day kayaking. You and GV just made me think about it.
 
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#104
#104
Septic said:
These camps have to market themselves to councils all over the country to fill up all of their sessions.
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I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. If a Council wanted to "market" themselves to other Councils around the nation, the price would be the same as an in Council Troop, not higher.

"You're going to spend a lot of money traveling here and we're even going to charge you more to do it."
 
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McDad said:
Just found the BSA proposed uniform for female scouts. Wanna officially reverse my prediction on future declining participation. Also, offer a name change to the "Oh Boy! Scouts".
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You get a +5 on that one. Top notch.
 
#107
#107
Septic said:
For a week of camp? That's cheap if you're near by...

My troop is going to spend $6k on a charter bus just to get us Rainey Mountain GA in a few months. We have to put up the driver in a hotel for a week to boot.
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My Troop purchased a used school bus, repainted it, the Asst SM rebuilt the engine and we took it to the Grand Canyon from Athens, AL. WTF is this charter bus BS. No wonder you are OK with female girls joining your other girls.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Yes, it was/is. But they have a whole program geared up that didn't compete with what the boys do. And why not let the boys and girls do everything available in Boy Scouts? When they reach Venture age (13-1/2 to 14 graduate 8th grade) they can anyway. Why not have the girls just as competent in all they outdoor activities as the boys when entering? Man, it's FUN taking a group of kids on a 7 day trek across the Appalachian Trail along the roof of the world in the Smoky Mountains. It's FUN racing sailboats all over the southeast. It's FUN seeing the light come on in a kid's eyes when he (and now she) learns how to do these things. Some they take with them forever.
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Don't disagree but you didn't answer the question. It is a GSA problem, not a BSA problem. You continue to ask the male to reach back and pull the female along as if they aren't capable of it on their own. Your attitude is incredible insulting to females and female leaders. Scouts took a wrong turn when it was changed in the 70's so that "city boys" could "participate". I still have my old scout manual in a sealed container because the binding let go. One of the most valuable books I own.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
There are all kinds of ways they can earn the money as a Troop to pay for summer camp. The national scouts have a holiday popcorn sales. Some troops sell Christmas Trees and wreathes. Some have "yard work days" and a gang of kids show up to clear your yard of leaves, aerate (older kids only), whatever. My troop sold Christmas Trees and it only cost us $21 per kid each year. I don't know why for sure, but I think the $21 was the initial cost per kid for buying the trees the first year they did it and never changed. But it did put $ in the troop's petty cash drawer.

We had enough extra equipment no kid in need had to buy anything to go camping. Tents, packs, mess kits, sleeping bags, canteens, troop sized iron kettles and dutch ovens, a big covered trailer to haul it. Several kids dads were doctors and we could have run a surgery out of our First Aid kit. In fact, it's one of those doctors who encouraged my so to be a doctor.
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We weren't rich at all. Most of the dads pitched in and made things. My dad had charcoal starters made that we hauled with us to the GC and to the National Jamboree in Farragut, ID.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
My Troop purchased a used school bus, repainted it, the Asst SM rebuilt the engine and we took it to the Grand Canyon from Athens, AL. WTF is this charter bus BS. No wonder you are OK with female girls joining your other girls.
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Your attention seeking behavior aside, it's clear that your troop must have been the manliest of them all.

Was this your troops whip?

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82_VOL_83 said:
Don't disagree but you didn't answer the question. It is a GSA problem, not a BSA problem. You continue to ask the male to reach back and pull the female along as if they aren't capable of it on their own. Your attitude is incredible insulting to females and female leaders. Scouts took a wrong turn when it was changed in the 70's so that "city boys" could "participate". I still have my old scout manual in a sealed container because the binding let go. One of the most valuable books I own.
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It's not a BSA problem, it's an opportunity.

Insulting to females? LOL
 
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Septic said:
Your attention seeking behavior aside, it's clear that your troop must have been the manliest of them all.

Was this your troops whip?

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Your honeymoon camper that you and the misses slept in, under the stars, on Nonconnah Creek?
 
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Septic said:
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Squints said:
Your honeymoon camper that you and the misses slept in, under the stars, on Nonconnah Creek?
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Septic said:
Your attention seeking behavior aside, it's clear that your troop must have been the manliest of them all.

Was this your troops whip?

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reminds me of high school Cross Country trips. CoEd sport, but we would travel separately. Guys would drive ourselves in our own cars, girls would ride the short bus. we always just thought they were dumb for riding the bus. it was slow, uncomfortable and the female coach was a b*tch.

turns out the played games in there. Every time they saw a car with only one headlight working they would shout some word out. If it was guys playing it would have been where the last got punched or something. The girls? They took off articles of clothing. apparently it wasn't uncommon for some to end up naked on long trips.

kinda wish I had ridden the short bus.
 
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Septic said:
It's not a BSA problem, it's an opportunity.

Insulting to females? LOL
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It's absolutely insulting to females to infer that they can't run an organization that will fulfill the needs and desires of young ladies. You don't think them capable?
 
#119
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Septic said:
Why?

He said his daughter was looking forward doing the things her brother did.

Many girls are into that stuff, why marginalize them as only wanting to play with Barbies and wear tiaras?

"Boy" Scouting won't be for all girls for many it will be a great way to learn values, give back to their community and develop skills. Scouting ultimately is fun with a purpose.

It's bizarre, (perhaps it shouldn't be)to see a group of people who are usually yapping about the moral decay of our society poo-poo on half of our population having an opportunity to learn what it means to be a good citizen.
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Yes. We call them lesbians.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
So, the reasons girls shouldn't be allowed is because they're girls.
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Yes, because it’s called the Boy Scouts. Same reason boys shouldn’t be admitted To the Girl Scouts. If you don’t like the curriculum see what else can be done. I saw where a 7 year old boy was admitted to the Girls Scouts because he classified himself as a girl. What 7 yo even knows what the hell that means, let alone has parents that will allow that kid to call the shots? Meredith University (an all female school) of Raleigh, NC, just started admitting male students a few years ago and there were a lot of protests by female students and alumni. I side with the students and alumni that traditions can and should be upheld in certain circumstances. Not everything has to be all inclusive all the time. I don’t mean by race or sexual orientation, but if you’re an all male or female boarding school with a rich tradition of academic excellence then don’t cave to outside forces claiming sexism or not being inclusive.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yes. We call them lesbians.
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Subaru Outbacks and flannel for everybody. Yep, let's let women join the Rangers, Green Berets, Seals...boy scouts, men's restrooms, am I missing a club?

Don't expect equal performance, accommodations, output, participation, or any other measurable statistic though. Prepare for emotion to Trump intellect at every turn.



My dad, who has been gone a couple months, told me a couple truths about women when i was in my early teens..

He said women are always E over I. Emotion over intellect. Men are usually I over E, and should strive to be. Logic saves lives.

Also said " all women are crazy. You just have to find one that you are comfortable with her particular flavor of crazy."

Lot of truth there.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Subaru Outbacks and flannel for everybody. Yep, let's let women join the Rangers, Green Berets, Seals...boy scouts, men's restrooms, am I missing a club?

Don't expect equal performance, accommodations, output, participation, or any other measurable statistic though. Prepare for emotion to Trump intellect at every turn.



My dad, who has been gone a couple months, told me a couple truths about women when i was in my early teens..

He said women are always E over I. Emotion over intellect. Men are usually I over E, and should strive to be. Logic saves lives.

Also said " all women are crazy. You just have to find one that you are comfortable with her particular flavor of crazy."

Lot of truth there.
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My dad said this , “ Matt, when you get married, you can be happy or right. You can choose which one.”

I still laugh at it from a stereotype perspective.
 
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