No US Flag on Mexican Holiday??

#76
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lawgator1 said:
We agree.

For some reason, however, droski seems to want to give the flag-wearing students a pass for their own actions, which I don't want to do.

Does not mean they can't wear it and on May 5 if they choose. Just saying let's be realistic about the point of it.
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What wouldn't they get a pass for? They didn't do anything wrong. I don't care if you look at them and think they were trying to be disrespectful, but they didn't do anything you should be able to punish them for.
 
#77
#77
VolInMn said:
No disagreement from me on that. But could you safely assume they were illegal immigrants?
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in my experience the legal mexican citizens (even those who were born in mexico) speak fluent english. now are there exceptions? i am sure. so let me lower that 75% to 73%. happy?
 
#79
#79
VolInMn said:
No disagreement from me on that. But could you safely assume they were illegal immigrants?
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You can't be sure, but you'd have a much better idea of it if a huge German illegal immigrant population was here.
 
#82
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hndog609 said:
If there had been any indication of the flag wearers actively trying to incite anything it would absolutely come into play. The problem is that the school officials, like LG is wont to do, seem to divine what somebody is thinking and then decide what action is justifiable based on these opinions. The problem is that the opinions are fabricated and the actions taken are real.
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but they are charged with keeping the school a learning environment. I understand their point, whether I agree with the execution or not.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
but they are charged with keeping the school a learning environment. I understand their point, whether I agree with the execution or not.
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At the risk of sending this off on a huge tangent what are you feelings about uniform dress codes in shcools?
 
#86
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BigPapaVol said:
but they are charged with keeping the school a learning environment. I understand their point, whether I agree with the execution or not.
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if the kids had a shirt that said "mexicans go home" they'd be well into their right to have them remove the clothing. the administrators are attempting to be mind readers, a la LG, and that is the problem. personally i don't think the mexican students would have taken much offense to it, but perhaps things have changed since i went to public school.
 
#88
#88
It seems like taste is something that is involved here, but that still doesn't mean you tell ANY American to take off a t-shirt with an American flag on it. You can monitor a situation, without creating another. Kids will be kids anyways, and this will probably make the issues worse. Good job being PC and creating more underlying problems.
 
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droski said:
if the kids had a shirt that said "mexicans go home" they'd be well into their right to have them remove the clothing. the administrators are attempting to be mind readers, a la LG, and that is the problem. personally i don't think the mexican students would have taken much offense to it, but perhaps things have changed since i went to public school.
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I understand and the ACLU should absolutely pound these guys, but the admin still has its charge and can carry it out. As long as there is no punishment or any adverse academic consequences, the kids got a day off and I'm OK with it.
 
#90
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BigPapaVol said:
I understand and the ACLU should absolutely pound these guys, but the admin still has its charge and can carry it out. As long as there is no punishment or any adverse academic consequences, the kids got a day off and I'm OK with it.
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What about a kid that wears a Che Guevara shirt to school? Do you think they would be asked to remove it, since it offends me?
 
#91
#91
BigPapaVol said:
I understand and the ACLU should absolutely pound these guys, but the admin still has its charge and can carry it out. As long as there is no punishment or any adverse academic consequences, the kids got a day off and I'm OK with it.
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I'm okay with the logic you're using, but I don't think this was that kind of situation. I think if it was a safety concern, the school would be quick to say so and be much clearer about it. I'd guess they were just afraid of Mexican students complaining.
 
#92
#92
tvolsfan said:
I'm okay with the logic you're using, but I don't think this was that kind of situation. I think if it was a safety concern, the school would be quick to say so and be much clearer about it. I'd guess they were just afraid of Mexican students complaining.
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it's a situation where the feelings of people her illegally are considered more important than actual taxpaying american citizens. and unfortunetly most of southern california is run this way. just one look at LA's idiot mayor tells you all you need to know. i very much doubt if these same students had complained about mexicans wearing mexican flags around july 4th that the administration would have done something about it.
 
#93
#93
CountVolcula said:
What about a kid that wears a Che Guevara shirt to school? Do you think they would be asked to remove it, since it offends me?
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I'm not advocating some slippery slope here. I'm simply saying that I understand and that this isn't some earth shattering suppression event.

For the record, yes there are some militant style shirts that shouldn't be worn in our public schools. Drawing the line is difficult, but you can't be cool with throwing out Che because he's offensive then gripe that the flag isn't.
 
#94
#94
droski said:
it's a situation where the feelings of people her illegally are considered more important than actual taxpaying american citizens. and unfortunetly most of southern california is run this way. just one look at LA's idiot mayor tells you all you need to know.
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and that's a legit argument, but I don't this is absolutely cut and dried. I am as jingoistic as anyone here, but the Principal / Admin is making a judgment call in the name of order and I get it.
 
#95
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droski said:
it's a situation where the feelings of people her illegally are considered more important than actual taxpaying american citizens. and unfortunetly most of southern california is run this way. just one look at LA's idiot mayor tells you all you need to know. i very much doubt if these same students had complained about mexicans wearing mexican flags around july 4th that the administration would have done something about it.
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There's not a chance they would have. And the backlash to them actually doing that would have been unbelievable.
 
#96
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BigPapaVol said:
and that's a legit argument, but I don't this is absolutely cut and dried. I am as jingoistic as anyone here, but the Principal / Admin is making a judgment call in the name of order and I get it.
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do i think the admin did this because they dislike americans? of course not. but just the fact that it occured to this guy that an american flag would be offensive tells you where his mindset is. as i said before. if the situation had been reversed there is no way he would have told mexican students to remove their clothing. he'd be fired immediately.
 
#97
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VolInMn said:
Common sense? Really? So you can look at 30 white kids and divine how many are Irish or Scottish or German illegals? Seriously, it's stupid unless she has something to base the estimate on. That's all I'm saying.

For the record, I totally disagree with what the principle did. The kids should be able to wear an American flag shirt any time they wish. Period.
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is this really a point you are trying to make, or are you trying to be funny? im hoping funny...
 
#99
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droski said:
do i think the admin did this because they dislike americans? of course not. but just the fact that it occured to this guy that an american flag would be offensive tells you where his mindset is. as i said before. if the situation had been reversed there is no way he would have told mexican students to remove their clothing. he'd be fired immediately.
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exactly! this should have been a non-story. instead, the principal took action and it has blown up.
 
#100
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droski said:
do i think the admin did this because they dislike americans? of course not. but just the fact that it occured to this guy that an american flag would be offensive tells you where his mindset is. as i said before. if the situation had been reversed there is no way he would have told mexican students to remove their clothing. he'd be fired immediately.
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I don't disagree, but we're not going to change his mindset of fear. It's part of why he's a school administrator.
 
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