Not espn's fault that manning lost the heisman?

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Lawrence Wright said:
Come on now....you can't compare Bailey's UGA teams with Woodson's Michigan squad in '97.

Champ Bailey's UGA teams were never in contention to win the SEC East, let alone the national championship.
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I don't disagree with you, but that says a lot about what the Heisman really is: the best player on one of the most elite teams that year.

At least, that is what it usually is. Not necessarily the best players or the player with the biggest stats.

Which is fine. Just don't tell me it's about the best player in football, when it obviously isn't always about that.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Who did? I believe the other two guys were Dorsey and Harrington. Don't remember much of Harrington, but it's hard to say Dorsey deserved it. Maybe someone who wasn't at the ceremony should have won.
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If anyone got 'screwed' out of the Heisman, I'd say Tebow in 2008, simply because he had the most first place votes but finished third because the Big 12 voters killed him.
 
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nbakerld said:
There are a lot of Heisman winners who weren't playing for a national title.
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It has to be a blend of best guy/good team

Someone could absolutely kill it all year, but if they're playing in the Sun Bowl, Heisman is unlikely
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Come on now....you can't compare Bailey's UGA teams with Woodson's Michigan squad in '97.

Champ Bailey's UGA teams were never in contention to win the SEC East, let alone the national championship.
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I get that, but the award is most outstanding player, and it's completely bogus that players from bad teams are eliminated from consideration. There are 22 starters on the field. You are 1 player. You could be 10x better than any other CFB player and be on a losing team.
 
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tvolsfan said:
If anyone got 'screwed' out of the Heisman, I'd say Tebow in 2008, simply because he had the most first place votes but finished third because the Big 12 voters killed him.
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That was total crap. I believe Tebow had 28 TD's and 0 turnovers against top 40 defenses during the regular season.
 
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IPorange said:
I don't disagree with you, but that says a lot about what the Heisman really is: the best player on one of the most elite teams that year.

At least, that is what it usually is. Not necessarily the best players or the player with the biggest stats.

Which is fine. Just don't tell me it's about the best player in football, when it obviously isn't always about that.
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It changes from year to year.

Tebow won it because he had PlayStation stats, Gino Toretta won it because he was the starting QB on the #1 team.

Woodson won it because Manning lost to UF. Manning set the expectation of exorcising his UF demons the day he announced he was coming back for his senior year. That was supposed to be his "Heisman moment".

Fair or unfair I think that, coupled with Woodson playing both ways for a national title contender, doomed Manning.
 
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droski said:
and espn wanted wooden to win the heisman because. . .?
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Because at the time ESPN covered Big 10 football and did not have a relationship with the SEC.

Because at the time ESPN was owned by ABC who televised the Rose Bowl, and having a top ranked Big 10 team playing for a NC with a Heisman candidate meant big $$$$$.

I'm not saying that Fowler or ESPN had an agenda to rob Peyton of the Heisman, but if you don't think they absolutely had an agenda to promote Woodson and the Big 10 then you're not being rational.
 
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nbakerld said:
I get that, but the award is most outstanding player, and it's completely bogus that players from bad teams are eliminated from consideration. There are 22 starters on the field. You are 1 player. You could be 10x better than any other CFB player and be on a losing team.
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Can you name a sport where the individual awarded "most outstanding/valuable player" comes from a losing team?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It changes from year to year.

Tebow won it because he had PlayStation stats, Gino Toretta won it because he was the starting QB on the #1 team.

Woodson won it because Manning lost to UF. Manning set the expectation of exorcising his UF demons the day he announced he was coming back for his senior year. That was supposed to be his "Heisman moment".

Fair or unfair I think that, coupled with Woodson playing both ways for a national title contender, doomed Manning.
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bet tebow wouldn't have won it if there were other viable candidates.
 
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tvolsfan said:
If anyone got 'screwed' out of the Heisman, I'd say Tebow in 2008, simply because he had the most first place votes but finished third because the Big 12 voters killed him.
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Colt McCoy got hosed that year imo. Also Brad Banks in 02 and Crouch deserved it in 01 mainly because nobody could step up and take it.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Because at the time ESPN covered Big 10 football and did not have a relationship with the SEC.

Because at the time ESPN was owned by ABC who televised the Rose Bowl, and having a top ranked Big 10 team playing for a NC with a Heisman candidate meant big $$$$$.

I'm not saying that Fowler or ESPN had an agenda to rob Peyton of the Heisman, but if you don't think they absolutely had an agenda to promote Woodson and the Big 10 then you're not being rational.
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Of course ABC/ESPN had an agenda to promote Michigan, just like CBS had an agenda to promote UF and UT every week.
 
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tvolsfan said:
In what way does that mean Crouch deserved it in 2001?
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1100 rushing and 1500 passing with 25 total tds. Those were good numbers for the time. Even if Florida had beaten UT I wouldn't have had a problem with him beating out Rex.
 
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