Not espn's fault that manning lost the heisman?

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droski said:
palmer absolutely should not have won it.
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Just looked at the numbers. Halfway through 2001, Palmer had thrown 9 touchdown passes and 6 interceptions.

To his credit, he did finish very strong, but I can't see how you can give someone the Heisman who was really only good for half the season.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Florida.
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Disagree.

We had to replace Wuerffel, Hilliard, Anthony and 3 linemen on offense.

We moved our second leading rusher to DB because we had no depth, and he wound up starting. Lott, Weary and Wright all had to be replaced in the secondary.

If you want to argue UF was the better team because of coaching, that's fine. From a talent and experience standpoint UT had the better horses imo.
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Lawrence Wright said:
Disagree.

We had to replace Wuerffel, Hilliard, Anthony and 3 offensive linemen on offense.

We moved our second leading rusher to DB because we had no depth, and he wound up starting. Lott, Weary and Wright all had to be replaced in the secondary.

If you want to argue UF was the better team because of coaching, that's fine. From a talent and experience standpoint UT had the better horses imo.
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argue all the skill position silliness you like, but our front seven was mediocre at best and our OLine was a work in progress.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
argue all the skill position silliness you like, but our front seven was mediocre at best and our OLine was a work in progress.
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Sure, let's disregard UF's Heisman QB and his two favorite WRs who UT didn't come close to covering in 3 years. Replacing Wuerffel, Ike and Reidel was really no big deal......whatever......

UF's o-line wasn't gelling at that point either, and outside of UF's linebackers our defense was good, but nowhere close to being great.

Worst case UT's talent was on par with UF back then. Our biggest advantage over UT in '97 was between the ears. We expected to win, UT hoped they would win.
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I'm pretty sure after seeing how both athletes' careers have gone, either player could have gotten that trophy and it wouldn't have been incorrect. Both were great college players, both were the best at their position, and both have been productive for over a decade in the pros. There's nothing more you can ask of them.
 
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crusse10 said:
I'm pretty sure after seeing how both athletes' careers have gone, either player could have gotten that trophy and it wouldn't have been incorrect. Both were great college players, both were the best at their position, and both have been productive for over a decade in the pros. There's nothing more you can ask of them.
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+1
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Worst case UT's talent was on par with UF back then. Our biggest advantage over UT in '97 was between the ears. We expected to win, UT hoped they would win.
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Steve Spurrier would pretty much call out Tennessee's offensive staff and dare them to throw in the media.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Smart move on his part, considering the team that rushed for more yards usually won the game.
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It always seemed like Tennessee would try and get in a shootout with UF and then grind everyone else on the schedule down with the running game.

I don't know if that's statistically true but it always felt that way to me.
 
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justingroves said:
It always seemed like Tennessee would try and get in a shootout with UF and then grind everyone else on the schedule down with the running game.

I don't know if that's statistically true but it always felt that way to me.
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I believe Spurrier even admitted his pregame chatter was directed at CPF in order to get him to go away from his strengths. Worked every time
 
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justingroves said:
It always seemed like Tennessee would try and get in a shootout with UF and then grind everyone else on the schedule down with the running game.

I don't know if that's statistically true but it always felt that way to me.
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During the Manning years, I completely agree.

It was as though Fulmer had to prove he could chuck it around like the ball coach.
 
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justingroves said:
It always seemed like Tennessee would try and get in a shootout with UF and then grind everyone else on the schedule down with the running game.

I don't know if that's statistically true but it always felt that way to me.
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Seems like what teams tried to do with Oregon this year.
 
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