Now the woke left reaches a new milestone of arrogance

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OrangeTsar said:
Na, probably not. Thanks for thinking of it though. And I must retain at least some semblance of anonymity in a world running amok in cancel culture. There are people out there who cannot abide common sense and traditional values anymore
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There are many out there but just drowned out by the noise
 
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A lot of classical music just took popular melodies and "classicaled" them up, like copland a gift to be simple. Dont see why this would upset anyone. Reworking old themes is how music works.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
What next, darken the skin tone of the Mona Lisa to make it more “relevant”? When does the madness end?
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People do their interpretations of music and art all the time. It doesn't take away from the original at all. Your outrage is just plain dumb.
 
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jvol1 said:
A lot of classical music just took popular melodies and "classicaled" them up, like copland a gift to be simple. Dont see why this would upset anyone. Reworking old themes is how music works.
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Reworking with polyphony, counterpoint, fugal development, theme and variations, and sonata form is more than simple reworking.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
People do their interpretations of music and art all the time. It doesn't take away from the original at all. Your outrage is just plain dumb.
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I am indeed “dumb” so you can’t insult me that way if that is your intent. Yes, people do their own “interpretations” all the time. Honest artists however do not take a masterwork, rewrite it, and stick the original label back on it.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
As a lifelong classical music fan, rewriting Beethoven is worthy of every bit of outrage I can muster. You don’t mess with my homie Ludwig
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With you on this one. I listen to it all the time.

As Niels Gade is quoted as saying, "There is only one Ninth" referring to Ludwig's.

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DinkinFlicka said:
So, again, is it only "Woke" in your eyes because it includes African percussions?

Do you just automatically assume black is woke? You keep sidestepping this.
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I answer your question below. Now as a common courtesy, I would ask you a question as well that is quite relevant. Is it possible for a work of art to be sufficiently relevant to African Americans if it was written by a dead white European Male? (Ie, can Art only be relevant or inclusive ONLY if it incorporates or originates in the culture in question)?
 
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GroverCleveland said:
With you on this one. I listen to it all the time.

As Niels Gade is quoted as saying, "There is only one Ninth" referring to Ludwig's.

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Dvorak and Schubert both wrote incredible ninths, but yes, I agree. Shostakovich had fun with his ninth and defied expectations by basically writing a lighthearted musical joke 😂. Stalin was not amused
 
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85SugarVol said:
Just read the article. It’s a cavalcade of woke nonsense.

Maestra
Zulu & Maori text
Tracy K Smith & Wordsmith
African drumming
Jazz ensembles
Reena Esmail

Why is African Drumming culturally relevant to Baltimore? Because there’s a lot of black folks there?
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Germany was full of Africans until Confederate slave traders, led by Robert E Lee, invaded Germany and captured them.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I'm going to keep adding to the list of these arrogant attempts at wokism as I think of them.

Damn that Eric Clapton and his need to cover "Crossroads" or "Cocaine."
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Except Clapton has expressed some regrets over Cream's electrification of "Crossroads." Ever the purist.
 
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Now all that remains is to take "Fear of a Black Planet" and turn it into a majestic, full-blown symphony.
 
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Okay, some good points made here. I've enjoyed many pop songs with their basis in classical music. Even some songs I would most likely initially think untouchable are fair game for me now. For example, I think the Disturbed Screaming Man's version of Sound of Silence is excellent. Even movies are not immune. I like the Cohen Brothers' True Grit better than the Duke's. I'm leery of the proposed remake of The Wild Bunch, however, Mel Gibson is more than an able director.

Not anywhere NEAR as well-versed as @OrangeTsar, I am more like John Cleese's Pope admonishing Michelangelo, that while he may not know much about art, he knows what he likes. In his defense, there have been some half-baked "woke" comments about the classics that seemed pretty absurd on the surface, including some about the 9th.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Okay, some good points made here. I've enjoyed many pop songs with their basis in classical music. Even some songs I would most likely initially think untouchable are fair game for me now. For example, I think the Disturbed Screaming Man's version of Sound of Silence is excellent. Even movies are not immune. I like the Cohen Brothers' True Grit better than the Duke's. I'm leery of the proposed remake of The Wild Bunch, however, Mel Gibson is more than an able director.

Not anywhere NEAR as well-versed as @OrangeTsar, I am more like John Cleese's Pope admonishing Michelangelo, that while he may not know much about art, he knows what he likes. In his defense, there have been some half-baked "woke" comments about the classics that seemed pretty absurd on the surface, including some about the 9th.
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My favorite “cover” of all time was Led Zeppelin’s awesome cover of “Where the Levee Breaks”. Wow
 
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creekdipper said:
Beethoven wouldn't mind if he were around. Let's face it...he wouldn't disapprove of a single note he heard.
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You don’t know Beethoven’s personality very well do you? 😂
“Was ich sch******e ist besser als du je gedacht!”
or
“What I s**t is better than anything you could ever think up!”
Ludwig van Beethoven (German Composer & Pianist 1770-1827)
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Ohhhhh, now I see your outrage.

They're using afro-beat inspired jazz percussions, so therefore it is woke in your woefully white eyes.

Jesus Christ... I can't imagine living in such a state of fragility and paranoia.
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Looking at your posts, I'd say you're already there.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
You don’t know Beethoven’s personality very well do you? 😂
“Was ich sch******e ist besser als du je gedacht!”
or
“What I s**t is better than anything you could ever think up!”
Ludwig van Beethoven (German Composer & Pianist 1770-1827)
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Well, the joke...a bit cruel, I confess...had to do with his auditory responses rather than his musical tastes.

I concur that his reaction, if possible to have been achieved, would have been remarkably close to your translation.
 
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I can already see the Vox and Vice headlines now if a white guy were to take a pan-african song and "white it up" a bit with some clapping on the 1 and 3 beats and adding a harmonica and banjo.
 
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New arrangements of well known pieces is nothing new.

I'll let you digest the irony of that for a minute.

Ellis Marsalis Jr.'s version of "Surrey with the Fringe on Top" on his 1992 LP, Heart of Gold, is a fantastic version of a beloved Rogers and Hammerstein piece.

There's a jazz musician out of Virginia, Lenny Marcus, who absolutely loves Beethoven. I have two of his albums, Peace for Beethoven and The Jazz of Beethoven, which are very enjoyable to the open mind. His arrangement of "Fur Elise" is great.
 
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