Now the woke left reaches a new milestone of arrogance

#101
#101
OrangeTsar said:
A “movie” of Shakespeare is not Shakespeare. It is a derivative work. Just as Peter Jackson’s the Lord of the Rings does not purport to be the actual Lord of the Rings. Those goalposts ain’t gonna move themselves I guess though. And yes, I listen to “new” music all the time. That Mahler guy really writes some good stuff as does Shostakovich 😉
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Only thing different is that it adds an African cultural element.
 
#104
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OrangeTsar said:
Defend your assertion then. Find some people who agree with you. I can cite dozens of not hundreds of opinions placing Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony in the upper seats of mankind’s musical pantheon.
I can assert that my Child’s stick figure drawing belongs in the same league as DiVinci’s last supper. That doesn’t make my opinion valid however
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I'm going to guess that less than a handful of people on this entire site have listened to a Fela Kuti song.

How about you find a decent amount of people who agree with you ITT. So far, the majority have sh*t on your OP.

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ClearwaterVol said:
You have not listened to any new music have you. It is full of samples. Shakespeare has been rewritten MANY times and won oscars and golden globes. 1500 movie credits alone. Sons of Anarchy is a reimagining of Shakespeare. Moonlighting had a great version of Taming of the Shrew.

You're being the "get off my lawn" guy.
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But Sutter didn't call it Hamlet, he called it Sons of Anarchy.....
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You have literally described rock and roll.
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Yes, and imagine the outrage about cultural appropriation and the twitter mobbing that would occur if it happened today.

For the record, I'm cool with people experimenting with all generas of music. Nothing ought to be sacred. That goes for rock and roll too. Elvis played the music that he loved and was influenced by and ended up making rock and roll marketable to white people. And then eventually we got Led Zeppelin, Queen, and ELO. So I'm cool with how it all played out. Chuck Berry and Fats Domino were no less famous for having white people like Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis adopt their musical stylings. We all win, I think.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Yes, and imagine the outrage about cultural appropriation and the twitter mobbing that would occur if it happened today.

For the record, I'm cool with people experimenting with all generas of music. Nothing ought to be sacred. That goes for rock and roll too. Elvis played the music that he loved and was influenced by and ended up making rock and roll marketable to white people. And then eventually we got Led Zeppelin, Queen, and ELO. So I'm cool with how it all played out. Chuck Berry and Fats Domino were no less famous for having white people like Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis adopt their musical stylings. We all win, I think.
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Until I see a significant number of far lefties condemning rock and roll from the 50-80's for stealing music, I'm gonna call scat on the "what if it happened today" argument. It's lazy.

I agree with you on everything else.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I'm going to guess that less than a handful of people on this entire site have listened to a Fela Kuti song.

How about you find a decent amount of people who agree with you ITT. So far, the majority have sh*t on your OP.

🤷‍♂️
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No offense to my fellow vol nation compatriots, but I am really not so insecure that i either need nor desire anyone’s affirmation for my musical judgement. Beethoven’s Ninth can defend itself quite well. I am quite sure that in another two centuries, Beethoven will continue to be treasured by humanity. Hopefully for your tastes, Fela Kuti will be able to make the same claim 😉
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Yes, and imagine the outrage about cultural appropriation and the twitter mobbing that would occur if it happened today.

For the record, I'm cool with people experimenting with all generas of music. Nothing ought to be sacred. That goes for rock and roll too. Elvis played the music that he loved and was influenced by and ended up making rock and roll marketable to white people. And then eventually we got Led Zeppelin, Queen, and ELO. So I'm cool with how it all played out. Chuck Berry and Fats Domino were no less famous for having white people like Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis adopt their musical stylings. We all win, I think.
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Agreed. I, like OrangeTsar, think the 9th is one of, if not the, greatest pieces of music ever written. However, not hung up on folks experimenting with and doing different things. May not like it, but I can always turn it off or leave.

Another example of an arrangement I like better than the original is Promentory by Randy Edelman and Trevor Jones of Dougie MacLean's The Gael, although I am very, very fond of The Gael, especially by American Rogues.

HA! For the first time in a political thread on VolNation, a mind may have been changed.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
No offense to my fellow vol nation compatriots, but I am really not so insecure that i either need nor desire anyone’s affirmation for my musical judgement. Beethoven’s Ninth can defend itself quite well. I am quite sure that in another two centuries, Beethoven will continue to be treasured by humanity. Hopefully for your tastes, Fela Kuti will be able to make the same claim 😉
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"Show me people who agree with you to validate your point."

"I don't need people to validate my point."

*golf clap*
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I'm going to guess that less than a handful of people on this entire site have listened to a Fela Kuti song.

How about you find a decent amount of people who agree with you ITT. So far, the majority have sh*t on your OP.

🤷‍♂️
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No offense to my fellow vol nation compatriots, but I am really not so insecure that i either need nor desire anyone’s affirmation for my musical judgement. Beethoven’s Ninth can defend itself quite well. I am quite sure that in another two centuries, Beethoven will continue to be treasured by humanity. Hopefully for your tastes, Fela Kuti will be able to make the same claim 😉
DinkinFlicka said:
"Show me people who agree with you to validate your point."

"I don't need people to validate my point."

*golf clap*
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fine, since operating Google appears to be beyond your competency level…..
Why is Beethoven’s 9th Symphony so significant? | Southbank Centre
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Until I see a significant number of far lefties condemning rock and roll from the 50-80's for stealing music, I'm gonna call scat on the "what if it happened today" argument. It's lazy.

I agree with you on everything else.
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You've made good points, but stealing is a strong word. Influenced most definitely. After all, it was two Georgia blues players that Pink Floyd is named after. But Pink Floyd did not "steal" the music for The Wall, Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, etc. I do hear a lot of blues in their work, especially in Animals and Wish You Were Here.

And lest we forget, those Delta blues were a mixture of musical origins including gospel songs influenced by church hymns, which in turn were influenced by or based in...classical music.
 
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#117
OrangeTsar said:
No offense to my fellow vol nation compatriots, but I am really not so insecure that i either need nor desire anyone’s affirmation for my musical judgement. Beethoven’s Ninth can defend itself quite well. I am quite sure that in another two centuries, Beethoven will continue to be treasured by humanity. Hopefully for your tastes, Fela Kuti will be able to make the same claim 😉

fine, since operating Google appears to be beyond your competency level…..
Why is Beethoven’s 9th Symphony so significant? | Southbank Centre
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Has anyone challenged your assertion that it is a great composition?

The premises with which people disagree are that great works of art should never be reinterpreted and that reinterpreting great works of art is somehow a political statement by the left. To both I say bullspit.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
You've made good points, but stealing is a strong word. Influenced most definitely. After all, it was two Georgia blues players that Pink Floyd is named after. But Pink Floyd did not "steal" the music for The Wall, Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, etc. I do hear a lot of blues in their work, especially in Animals and Wish You Were Here.

And lest we forget, those Delta blues were a mixture of musical origins including gospel songs influenced by church hymns, which in turn were influenced by or based in...classical music.
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The early rock and roll guys were definitely financially benefiting where the black musicians could not benefit to the same degree. I think that is the source of the resentment and where the stealing accusations come in.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
You've made good points, but stealing is a strong word. Influenced most definitely. After all, it was two Georgia blues players that Pink Floyd is named after. But Pink Floyd did not "steal" the music for The Wall, Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, etc. I do hear a lot of blues in their work, especially in Animals and Wish You Were Here.

And lest we forget, those Delta blues were a mixture of musical origins including gospel songs influenced by church hymns, which in turn were influenced by or based in...classical music.
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Oh, I'm not saying it was stolen. I was saying if there were outrage of it being stolen from the woke mob, it would have already been a thing.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
No offense to my fellow vol nation compatriots, but I am really not so insecure that i either need nor desire anyone’s affirmation for my musical judgement. Beethoven’s Ninth can defend itself quite well. I am quite sure that in another two centuries, Beethoven will continue to be treasured by humanity. Hopefully for your tastes, Fela Kuti will be able to make the same claim 😉

fine, since operating Google appears to be beyond your competency level…..
Why is Beethoven’s 9th Symphony so significant? | Southbank Centre
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I'm guessing you're just not going to see my point. I don't need you to Google the cultural significance of the 9th Symphony for me.

I'm pointing out your complete and utter lack of critical thinking. It's comical at this point.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The early rock and roll guys were definitely financially benefiting where the black musicians could not benefit to the same degree. I think that is the source of the resentment and where the stealing accusations come in.
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Meh. Resentment is being brewed up on a daily basis for all sorts of wrongs, imagined, real or otherwise. Just propagating the victim mentality. I wish I could find it, but I am sure I read, or started to read, an article where some race pimp moran was claiming the Beethovens and Mozarts of Europe stole their music from Africa or African musicians who happened to lived in Germany during their time. If music was stolen in the mid-20th century, there is a lawyer waiting in the bushes to file the appropriate lawsuit.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Oh, I'm not saying it was stolen. I was saying if there were outrage of it being stolen from the woke mob, it would have already been a thing.
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Gotcha. That wasn't entirely clear. But I'll add that it is slightly bubbling on that score.
 
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#123
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DinkinFlicka said:
I'm guessing you're just not going to see my point. I don't need you to Google the cultural significance of the 9th Symphony for me.

I'm pointing out your complete and utter lack of critical thinking. It's comical at this point.
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Critical thinking? Pray tell, what exactly have you contributed save thinly veiled accusations of racism and unsubstantiated claims of greatness for obscure musicians whom no one has ever heard of? What exactly is your thesis you wish to make and defend? Mine is easily expressed; Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony is one of mankind’s greatest artistic achievements. I have seen absolutely no counter argument from you as to what is better and (most importantly) why?
 
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