Obama signs kids' health insurance bill ($32.8 billion)

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truefan said:
Absolutely agree. It is imperative we did this plan for children
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why? do they not get care today? were they dying before? where is the help? what changed, except for the now mandated money and the fact that the docs will absolutely charge full boat going forward?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
why? do they not get care today? were they dying before? where is the help? what changed, except for the now mandated money and the fact that the docs will absolutely charge full boat going forward?
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Yes, but at times it isn't adequate due to their lack of insurance.
 
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You know we don't have to resort to socialism to pay for care. Let those who consider themselves "good democrats" who are very wealthy contribute to the underinsured fund. Surely between Hollywood, the Kennedy's and Soros they can stay out of my pockets.

The real problem with socialism is that the ruling class doesn't want to sacrifice their wealth. It is like Al Gore using enough energy to run six flags at his estate, or Obama cranking the thermostat in the Whitehouse, while telling the rest of us to set our thermostat at 78 degrees in the summer and 65 in the winter.

I had this same discussion with a friend of mine who dreamed of the days when she lived in a commune. She married a millionaire, drove a $50,000 automobile and complained that people had too much. Go figure.
 
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truefan said:
Yes, but at times it isn't adequate due to their lack of insurance.
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for whom isn't it adequate? anecdotal stuff doesn't work. everyone in America has access to medical care. we don't need any more government intervention. If we want the system to work for everyone, the government needs to get further away.
 
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truefan said:
Absolutely agree. It is imperative we did this plan for children
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What are you going to think when BHO mandates you accept a quota of students that can not afford the fine institution that employs you. It will come out of your salary. What then?
It is no different.
 
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T-TownVol said:
What are you going to think when BHO mandates you accept a quota of students that can not afford the fine institution that employs you. It will come out of your salary. What then?
It is no different.
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or lowers the admission requirements. I was accepted to Sewanee and the minimum accepted ACT score was 27 (I scored a 29). What would happen if UofS were forced to lower that to that of MTSU?
 
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T-TownVol said:
What are you going to think when BHO mandates you accept a quota of students that can not afford the fine institution that employs you. It will come out of your salary. What then?
It is no different.
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You might want to stick to a subject for which you have some clue. On this one you don't have a clue. We already accept a number of students that cannot afford the $45,000/year price tag at TUOS. It is called scholarships and they aren't funded by employees salary. Just so you know, this is COMPLETELY different than children's healthcare. Everything isn't always as simple as you think it is or you would like it to be.
 
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MG1968 said:
or lowers the admission requirements. I was accepted to Sewanee and the minimum accepted ACT score was 27 (I scored a 29). What would happen if UofS were forced to lower that to that of MTSU?
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Not a chance. MTSU is a STATE school funded by taxes. TUOS is a private, episcopal ,liberal arts university funded by an endowment. Two totally different scenarios.
 
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truefan said:
You might want to stick to a subject for which you have some clue. On this one you don't have a clue. We already accept a number of students that cannot afford the $45,000/year price tag at TUOS. It is called scholarships and they aren't funded by employees salary. Just so you know, this is COMPLETELY different than children's healthcare. Everything isn't always as simple as you think it is or you would like it to be.
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You missed the point of my post. All Universities accept, ON THEIR OWN TERMS, low income students. Please revisit my post and respond to the point made instead of trying to point out the obvious.
The "come out of your salary" is symbolism. We all know your superior intellect. Just humor this simpleton please.
 
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truefan said:
Not a chance. MTSU is a STATE school funded by taxes. TUOS is a private, episcopal ,liberal arts university funded by an endowment. Two totally different scenarios.
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BHO"s plan is forced on "private" hospitals, you need to come into reality. TUOS is not above anything BHO will bring later.
 
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truefan said:
Not a chance. MTSU is a STATE school funded by taxes. TUOS is a private, episcopal ,liberal arts university funded by an endowment. Two totally different scenarios.
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hmmm, so it seems there is a measure of capitalism in you after all. I guess all that pablum about economic and social justice is just for those not in the rarefied atmosphere of private academia.
 
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MG1968 said:
hmmm, so it seems there is a measure of capitalism in you after all. I guess all that pablum about economic and social justice is just for those not in the rarefied atmosphere of private academia.
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exactly. They're cool with the socialism until it's about their own stuff and their own kids.
 
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truefan said:
Not a chance. MTSU is a STATE school funded by taxes. TUOS is a private, episcopal ,liberal arts university funded by an endowment. Two totally different scenarios.
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That is the, "good of the people" but "not in my backyard" answer.
Eliteism at it's finest.
 
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T-TownVol said:
That is the, "good of the people" but "not in my backyard" answer.
Eliteism at it's finest.
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So good of you guys to twist my remarks. And so ignorant as well. I wasn't advocating anything. I was stating a fact of difference. To try and correlate these statements about colleges with the children's healthcare is unbelievably absurd. Two totally different subjects. It would be like trying to compare an apple with a lemon
 
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truefan said:
So good of you guys to twist my remarks. And so ignorant as well. I wasn't advocating anything. I was stating a fact of difference. To try and correlate these statements about colleges with the children's healthcare is unbelievably absurd. Two totally different subjects. It would be like trying to compare an apple with a lemon
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I specifically changed the subject from health care to other possible things that BHO could mandate. You have yet to respond to that question.
I guess it shows great intellegence to call all of us names instead of actually admitting how much of an elite snob you sounded like with your comments.
Nice try on the "fact of difference" comment.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
It is not the responsibility of government!

It should be the local community and churches helping these people!
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That doesn't make sense. Typically children without health care are from poorer areas. The local community and churches are usually funded by it's members of the community -- doesn't seem as though they'd have much in their coffers to dole out.
 
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VolByBirth said:
That doesn't make sense. Typically children without health care are from poorer areas. The local community and churches are usually funded by it's members of the community -- doesn't seem as though they'd have much in their coffers to dole out.
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And this is exactly the reason that many churches with wealthier members do outreach for those areas that need help.
 
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This is a good thing. There aren't going to be many in this forum that like anything Obama does, but this one measure was needed whether anyone on here likes it or not.

You're not going to convince me otherwise. This board consists of 99% far right conservatives. There isn't much compromise going to be made. We just have to agree to disagree.
 
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truefan said:
This is a good thing. There aren't going to be many in this forum that like anything Obama does, but this one measure was needed whether anyone on here likes it or not.

You're not going to convince me otherwise. This board consists of 99% far right conservatives. There isn't much compromise going to be made. We just have to agree to disagree.
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you just want free shat as a matter of course. We don't. We could have been doling out more free shat over the course of our history, but haven't because it undermines the free market system that has made ours the most powerful economy (and biggest force) in the history of man. Subverting that so people can feel good about stupidly giving away free stuff is nonsensical.

Life is definitely hard and is going to be so for people with or without free money. Making free money available simply ensures that the next generation sees the free money as a right, too. All this will serve to provide in the end is more wards of the state down the road. It will not help one single soul better his / her life.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
]you just want free shat as a matter of course. [/B]We don't. We could have been doling out more free shat over the course of our history, but haven't because it undermines the free market system that has made ours the most powerful economy (and biggest force) in the history of man. Subverting that so people can feel good about stupidly giving away free stuff is nonsensical.

Life is definitely hard and is going to be so for people with or without free money. Making free money available simply ensures that the next generation sees the free money as a right, too. All this will serve to provide in the end is more wards of the state down the road. It will not help one single soul better his / her life.
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NO...get off your high horese for one damn second. We're talking about children here.

Only your opinion. You can't win this debate nor can I. We have different viewpoints on the issue. As I said, we can agree to disagree; however, it has become reality so instead of wasting your time telling us how it won't work, why don't you think of a way it will work.
 
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truefan said:
NO...get off your high horese for one damn second. We're talking about children here.

Only your opinion. You can't win this debate nor can I. We have different viewpoints on the issue. As I said, we can agree to disagree; however, it has become reality so instead of wasting your time telling us how it won't work, why don't you think of a way it will work.
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We're talking about Americans, children or otherwise. We're talking about more welfare generations. We're talking about more people who believe in the government as the solution to their problems rather than relying upon themselves. It's a mentality that we've proven we can foster, yet can't overcome. This isn't about the kids. It's about the generations who have already had this free ride and now promising more. It's about the parents getting help for their awful decision making. It's about making it easier to make stupid decisions. It's about undermining our free market system.

Forget telling you about how it might work. Free money for everyone is not a lasting solution, but it is a lasting problem. Therein lies the rub. Its a very easy and short-term solution that is guaranteed to be a long-term problem. You don't want to hear that it might be tough for Americans, that some might have to learn to find the answers.

The way it will work is to force humans to figure out this whole self-determination thing rather than make the assumption that external help is the answer. People are astounding in their ability to come up with solutions for themselves when forced.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
We're talking about Americans, children or otherwise. We're talking about more welfare generations. We're talking about more people who believe in the government as the solution to their problems rather than relying upon themselves. It's a mentality that we've proven we can foster, yet can't overcome. This isn't about the kids. It's about the generations who have already had this free ride and now promising more. It's about the parents getting help for their awful decision making. It's about making it easier to make stupid decisions. It's about undermining our free market system.

Forget telling you about how it might work. Free money for everyone is not a lasting solution, but it is a lasting problem. Therein lies the rub. Its a very easy and short-term solution that is guaranteed to be a long-term problem. You don't want to hear that it might be tough for Americans, that some might have to learn to find the answers.

The way it will work is to force humans to figure out this whole self-determination thing rather than make the assumption that external help is the answer. People are astounding in their ability to come up with solutions for themselves when forced.
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Totally agree with this statement;however, there are still too many children who aren't getting proper healthcare because their parents can't afford it. I have seen it first hand.
 
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