Official 2012 DNC thread

#76
#76
MG1968 said:
what factual misrepresentations and what race baiting?
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volinbham said:
and what identity politics. I guarantee we'll see more of these in the DNC than in the RNC.
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Factual misrepresentations: Ryan's speech. He came out and apologizing for it.

Race baiting: Pretty much every prime time speaker was Hispanic. That wasn't an accident. Obviously playing the race game. Dems will do the same.

Identity politics: Every speaker at the RNC opened with their own sob story about their family's hard times.

DNC will do the same as RNC.
 
#77
#77
Gramps said:
I cannot recall any convention Dem or GOP that received basically no bounce in the polls before this one.

I thought the GOP put on a good convention and thought they would get a 3-5% bounce , as of this afternoon they have a 1.3 bump.

I think the media hurt their bounce with the Clint and his chair coverage and the questioning of Ryans truthfulness in his speech.
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True, but the GOP screwed the pooch on the RNC. It wasn't a disaster minus Clint's speech and Ryan's speech.

However, it could have been much better. They also decided not to campaign over labor day. Very odd.
 
#79
#79
Gramps said:
That is 3 good stories to follow.

The first one Team Obama is going to point areas where the numbers do show the economy is improving. It will point out that when they took office we were losing 700,000 jobs per month, now we have 29 straight months of job growth. Not good enough but things are improving. They will also state they saved the auto industry and GM is the #1 manufacturer in the world now. Obamas authorized the raid to kill Bin Laden.

Saw that this morning on Morning Joe.

Question 2. No way the main stream media fact checks the dems as much as they did the GOP. There is enough right leaning news outlets that will fact check it to death.
I this fact checking will be a tossup but with different parties doing the checking.

3. The 2nd term... They will promise to protect the middle class. Put blame for their failures on congress and urge voters to elect more dems to congress.

They will not talk about the 16 trillion debt. They will not talk about fast and furious.
They will do a lot of talk about killing Osama but they'll not talk about all the lose of life in Afghanistan.

They are also adding gay marriage to the platform. I think that will hurt in more battleground states than it will help.
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The third point is the most frustrating. It is an equal point on both sides.

What are you specifically going to do in the next four years to change things? I'm all ears for either major party to answer that question. Sadly, I haven't heard it from either side. It is a sad state of affairs this country has fallen into. I dunno what is more disheartening, the fact that our "leaders" refuse to talk about it or our electorate and media refusing to demand specific, detail plans from both sides.
 
#80
#80
CNN giving Rahm high marks.
Saying unlike the speakers at the GOP praising themselves Rahm was building up the candidate, Obama, which is what the speakers at a convention should be doing.
 
#81
#81
Gramps said:
CNN giving Rahm high marks.
Saying unlike the speakers at the GOP praising themselves Rahm was building up the candidate, Obama, which is what the speakers at a convention should be doing.
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Would be kinda hard for Rahm to praise himself.
 
#82
#82
Deval Patrick giving a great speech. He's completely full of crap. But it's a great speech.
 
#84
#84
PKT_VOL said:
Factual misrepresentations: Ryan's speech. He came out and apologizing for it.

link?


Race baiting: Pretty much every prime time speaker was Hispanic. That wasn't an accident. Obviously playing the race game. Dems will do the same.


You and I have very different definitions of race baiting. See Biden's "put yall back in chains" for an example of race baiting.


Identity politics: Every speaker at the RNC opened with their own sob story about their family's hard times.

DNC will do the same as RNC.
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Same comment on identity politics - typically this is dividing into groups and telling how the other side will attack your group (e.g. War on Women, Hate Immigrants, Push Granny off the Cliff, etc.)

Most of what I saw in the RNC wasn't about specific goodies for group x and a different set for group y. It was trying to show that all groups basically want the same thing - individual freedom and the government off their backs. There was some of it but it has been a staple of the Obama campaign (contraceptives ruling; exec order Dream Act; union goodies; etc.)
 
#88
#88
PKT_VOL said:
Race baiting: Pretty much every prime time speaker was Hispanic. That wasn't an accident. Obviously playing the race game. Dems will do the same.
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And the keynote speaker is . . . Julian Castro.
 
#89
#89
I hope Castro turns it up because this is not the exciting speaker I've been hearing about.
 
#91
#91
tvols75 said:
I hope Castro turns it up because this is not the exciting speaker I've been hearing about.
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Perhaps he can talk about the amazing things that Obama has done like getting 1 in every 7 Americans on food stamps. That should whip the crowd into a frenzy.
 
#92
#92
Let's be real, no matter what side you are on, one cannot say:


This party is against Medicare, against women, against the middle class, against education, and against transportation and be taken serious by independents.
 
#93
#93
volinbham said:
link?
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I don't have one. I believe I heard it in passing on Fox News today. From what I remember, it wasn't a formal apology but a remark that is speech had some regrettable language.

volinbham said:
You and I have very different definitions of race baiting. See Biden's "put yall back in chains" for an example of race baiting.
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Eh, anytime someone obviously trots race out, I consider it race baiting. Race shouldn't enter into the equation at all for anything.

volinbham said:
Same comment on identity politics - typically this is dividing into groups and telling how the other side will attack your group (e.g. War on Women, Hate Immigrants, Push Granny off the Cliff, etc.)
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But it also is having the electorate identify with you. Paul Ryan with his mother to offset the pushing granny off the cliff, etc.

volinbham said:
Most of what I saw in the RNC wasn't about specific goodies for group x and a different set for group y. It was trying to show that all groups basically want the same thing - individual freedom and the government off their backs. There was some of it but it has been a staple of the Obama campaign (contraceptives ruling; exec order Dream Act; union goodies; etc.)
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If only they followed their own rhetoric with actions which are in lock step with their rhetoric.
 
#96
#96
I can see most angles the Dems have. The one claim I can find no basis for is Obama will bring jobs back from overseas. Is there a tax they are going after or something?
 
#97
#97
Hahaha. Chris Mathews: One of the greatest speeches I have ever heard. Hilarious.
 
#98
#98
Weezy said:
I can see most angles the Dems have. The one claim I can find no basis for is Obama will bring jobs back from overseas. Is there a tax they are going after or something?
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No. It's just simply political BS to dig at Romney's business record.
 
#99
#99
I thought it was a good speech. He started off very slow, but he did really good later on in the speech.
 
#100
#100
PKT_VOL said:
Hahaha. Chris Mathews: One of the greatest speeches I have ever heard. Hilarious.
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Haha! I knew I wouldn't agree with Castro but I was expecting something big from what all the democrats have been saying. Very underwhelming.
 
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