Official Brexit Referendum Discussion

#302
#302
DC_Vol said:
Some of her cohorts are already trying to tie Brexit to Trump. So it won't be long.

A lot of people have their knickers in a bunch because Obama wagged his finger at the UK, saying they would go to the back of the queue if they voted to leave the EU. And the Brits heard him and gave Obama the finger, leaving him with a little egg on his face.
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I mean who's shocked. His tough talk on Crimea and Syria were all air. No one cares about his foreign policy stances.
 
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mrorange211 said:
I agree with you, but the fall of the EU (which apparently is slowly gonna happen now) concerns me because when the EU didn't exist those countries often led the world to the largest wars in history. That is my only worry here; that Europe will revert back to its extreme nationalism and extreme competitive nature that always leads to some major war.
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The most extreme nationalism comes from countries/people that are under the boots of those they consider foreigners. Look at the Balkans circa 1914, the rise of the Nazi party, Balkans 1990s, the insurgencies in the Iraq Afganistan. Nothing pulls together the feeling of national pride and indignation like being screwed over by groups you feel have no right to rule you. Look at our revolution even, if England had treated the colonies as more equal parties instead of subjects we would likely wouldn't have revolted and would probably be closer to them like Canada.

The EU and their mandates from Brussels is increasing nationalism.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Lol
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Yeah whats weird about that is even the leave EU leader (Farage) SKY news, and the bookies were calling it for remain right after the polls closed...where they all missed it was that voters in Labour heavy districts voted leave when they were projected to stay with their parties stance...kudos to Carlos he nailed it.
 
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volinbham said:
DOW Futures down 610 and falling.

Gold rising fast
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Amazing when you think about it. The same people are going to wake up to do the same jobs. Factories didn't shut down overnight, oil didn't stop flowing, and so on. So you can't say the markets really reflect what's going on as much as the markets cause what might happen next because of their destructive influence in currencies and investment expectations.

I've always felt that market "response" had much much less to do with projected financial well being of companies and commodities and far more to do with very large investors to make enormous profit to the detriment of others by using events as leverage - basically by creating fear.

So the question is why should the pound take a pounding? The world is going to stop buying N Sea oil? Airlines and militaries around the world are going to refuse replacement Rolls Royce engines? Will a decrease in Jaguar sales by snubbed EU partners rock the world? On the other hand Britain will no longer have to participate in propping up Greece or support another layer of bureaucrats. Oh, yeah, Britain can set some rules on immigration independent of the EU - and there is that moat separating them from the insanity flowing into France, Belgium, Germany, ...

It looks far more like the real scam is floating currencies and treating them like commodities and that markets are places that normal people "invest" so that the ultra wealthy can pump it out - never allowing a good crisis go to waste.
 
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volinbham said:
Heres the thing with the EU - it was always a compromise approach.

There's no reason that some of the good of the EU cannot be preserved (eased travel between member countries, some trading bloc aspects, some shared intelligence/defense) without the bad (loss of some sovereignty, crushing bureaucracy, bail outs of failed economies).

I'm surprised it lasted this long.

They either needed to go to one big country with existing countries being states (our model) or a more loose confederation as suggested above. The half-way pregnant model was doomed from the beginning - not enough glue to hold it together.
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Our model started out more loosely confederated. The problem is that people are always power hungry and that upper layer will grab and hold all the power that it can - ignoring the originally more loosely confederated peoples' wish to retain regional differences and self determination. It eventually becomes a forced one size fits all that satisfies very few.

At least Britain was allowed to secede peacefully.
 
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volinbham said:
I continue to see the fallacy that globalism requires shared global government being floated by the anti-Brexit folk.
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The UN is trying hard; fortunately for us, it seems largely staffed by incompetents because our "leaders" sure seem to be more willing daily to accept global rule.

Funny thing though - people who insist most on diversity seem to embrace globalism - the antithesis of diversity.
 
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volinbham said:
I guess anyone who doesn't want an EU equivalent between the US, Canada, Mexico and Central America is a dumb racist amirite?

How about it EU acolytes? Why aren't you demanding we join our neighbors in a similar situation?
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Well, we have NAFTA. We shipped industry to Mexico, and they shipped us poor, uneducated, unemployed Mexicans to go with our displaced and previously employed workers. Global thinking at it's finest.

When I hear globalism and "free trade", for some reason "Don't Bring Me Down" by ELO echoes through my head.
 
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Obama and Cameron trying to stop this thing...
 
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tumscalcium said:
It happens. Same thing happened here in 2008 and 2012 and America lost both times.

Britain, however, has made a great decision.
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Don't forget 2000... but that is kind of different since America didn't really get what they voted for.. but in the end still lost... big time.

Funny how everybody is saying how great democracy is but bash when it is mentioned for the workplace.
 
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SuperDave said:
Don't forget 2000... but that is kind of different since America didn't really get what they voted for.. but in the end still lost... big time.

Funny how everybody is saying how great democracy is but bash when it is mentioned for the workplace.
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Ooh, better yet we should try your foolishness with the military. No rank. Everyone is exactly the same. Votes on everything.
 
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