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So I have an issue, or two or three. Lol. It's 430 in the morning here and I'm still wide awake. Pretty sure that the girlfriend is tired of me being up all night. Melatonin doesn't work. What non drug sleep aids do you all recommend? @DinkinFlicka , weed isn't an option lol.
 
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joevol24 said:
So I have an issue, or two or three. Lol. It's 430 in the morning here and I'm still wide awake. Pretty sure that the girlfriend is tired of me being up all night. Melatonin doesn't work. What non drug sleep aids do you all recommend? @DinkinFlicka , weed isn't an option lol.
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basically a lot of this stuff just boils down to don't have fun. or what we have been trained to think of as "fun".

1. stay away from caffeine, any source, any time. it jacks up our sleep clocks. alcohol is also pretty unhelpful for sleep, but a lot of that comes from the sugars in most drinks, but you shouldn't really be surprised that a chemical that alters your brain chemistry jacks up your sleep cycles. you need at least 3 hours after drinking to get a good consistent sleep.

2. getting away from your screens or any stimulation at least an hour before bed will help. doesn't matter if you can't fall asleep, stay away from the screen, even if you have some type of "blue light filter" those things typically don't do crap to help with sleep.

3. along with #2, make sure your bedroom is reserved for sleep or bed based activities. don't sit there and doom scroll or watch TV in there. make it the sleep room, helps the brain settle down once you establish the room is only for sleep. if you do other things in the bedroom, your brain is going to want to do those things before bed at times. the horizontal tango does work though, so get out there and get someone to bump uglies with so you can sleep.

4. being sure to follow number 2 make sure you get some type of physical exercise during the day. even if its just walking around for 30 minutes. even if you are physically tired at the end of the day, some exercise helps.

5. along with number 4, try to get outside more in the sun, let yourself see the various color changes in the lighting, helps your body find its rhythm.

6. avoid big meals at the end of the night, similar to #1, don't eat anything heavy for at least 3 hours before you go to bed. also helps with gut health.

7. only if desperate don't go to sleep tonight. make it all the way thru until tomorrow, go to bed at your desired time the next day. may take a couple tries to get it down, but your body will stop fighting itself pretty quick.
 
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LouderVol said:
basically a lot of this stuff just boils down to don't have fun. or what we have been trained to think of as "fun".

1. stay away from caffeine, any source, any time. it jacks up our sleep clocks. alcohol is also pretty unhelpful for sleep, but a lot of that comes from the sugars in most drinks, but you shouldn't really be surprised that a chemical that alters your brain chemistry jacks up your sleep cycles. you need at least 3 hours after drinking to get a good consistent sleep.

2. getting away from your screens or any stimulation at least an hour before bed will help. doesn't matter if you can't fall asleep, stay away from the screen, even if you have some type of "blue light filter" those things typically don't do crap to help with sleep.

3. along with #2, make sure your bedroom is reserved for sleep or bed based activities. don't sit there and doom scroll or watch TV in there. make it the sleep room, helps the brain settle down once you establish the room is only for sleep. if you do other things in the bedroom, your brain is going to want to do those things before bed at times. the horizontal tango does work though, so get out there and get someone to bump uglies with so you can sleep.

4. being sure to follow number 2 make sure you get some type of physical exercise during the day. even if its just walking around for 30 minutes. even if you are physically tired at the end of the day, some exercise helps.

5. along with number 4, try to get outside more in the sun, let yourself see the various color changes in the lighting, helps your body find its rhythm.

6. avoid big meals at the end of the night, similar to #1, don't eat anything heavy for at least 3 hours before you go to bed. also helps with gut health.

7. only if desperate don't go to sleep tonight. make it all the way thru until tomorrow, go to bed at your desired time the next day. may take a couple tries to get it down, but your body will stop fighting itself pretty quick.
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Drink a **** load of alcohol and eat a sack of Krytals while binge watching Breaking Bad. Sleep like a baby. And smoke em if you got em.
 
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Some other sleep things.

Make it colder when it's time for bed. This triggers a "nesting" and more restive state of mind.

Have a consistent time you go to bed. A lot of these are pattern based. Your brain tries to figure out what the pattern is and work towards that. If you can get the pattern of going to bed at X time established your brain will start working towards that. If you have no consistent sleep schedule your brain can never make the assumptions that help.

Be careful with naps. Especially if they last more than an hour and get into a REM cycle. They screw me up. I need at least 6 hours between waking up from a nap and normal bed time.

I have read that some people do better if they sleep naked, or in less clothes. Not always an option, but I have read multiple things saying it's a good thing. Also helps if your partner is similarly unclothed. Side benefit of more late night parties. Again goes back to patterns and your brain trying to predict what is going on.
 
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Orangeburst said:
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Drink a **** load of alcohol and eat a sack of Krytals while binge watching Breaking Bad. Sleep like a baby. And smoke em if you got em.
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I have heard good things about weed and other thc products. My paranoia made that not an option for me.

Not directed at you because I know you are joking around. But getting my sleep right with the stuff I mentioned lead to me losing 50 pounds, no diet or exercise, and getting my depression under control sans drugs.

Sleep is an INCREDIBLY powerful tool that isnt as respected as it should be.
 
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joevol24 said:
So I have an issue, or two or three. Lol. It's 430 in the morning here and I'm still wide awake. Pretty sure that the girlfriend is tired of me being up all night. Melatonin doesn't work. What non drug sleep aids do you all recommend? @DinkinFlicka , weed isn't an option lol.
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I know you said weed isn’t an option but you should definitely consider smoking a lot of ganja. Once you are finished with a good smoke session, eat plenty of carbs and then go swimming for about an hour. Lastly, take one giant bong rip of some dank allowing yourself to drift away in stoned euphoria before you pass out.
 
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McRib and I travel a few times a year. Couple of shorter trip and one longer. Sometimes the whole family comes and other times just the two of us. If there is a casino with a craps table at our location, she has paid for our trips countless times. And she has done it again today. It's uncanny.
 
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joevol24 said:
So I have an issue, or two or three. Lol. It's 430 in the morning here and I'm still wide awake. Pretty sure that the girlfriend is tired of me being up all night. Melatonin doesn't work. What non drug sleep aids do you all recommend? @DinkinFlicka , weed isn't an option lol.
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Sleep when you’re tired and eat when you’re hungry. When you’re on the backside of the clock just roll with the punches. As Louder said sunlight and activity. You can’t stay up forever and will sleep eventually. If you can stay up for 24 hours, a few drinks will feel euphoric and you’ll crash into a beautiful sleep although you may wake up 4 hrs later wide awake. This comes from 13 years of spending half of every month internationally.

Ps
Forgot the most important thing. If it’s not raining, snowing or otherwise, stay out of the hotel room if at all possible.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I know you said weed isn’t an option but you should definitely consider smoking a lot of ganja. Once you are finished with a good smoke session, eat plenty of carbs and then go swimming for about an hour. Lastly, take one giant bong rip of some dank allowing yourself to drift away in stoned euphoria before you pass out.
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I read a recent study that was done at a university sleep center IIRC that showed THC may help some feel sleepy and fall asleep (especially if one gets the munchies and gorges themselves into rest and digest mode) but that the THC also prevented the patients from entering the all important REM sleep cycles that actually get the rest we need.

I just googled looking for it and cant find it...but 2 different sources inclusing this recent one from the NIH seem to state the same as I read in that basically its believed that while THC is bad for REM and also SWS deep sleep over the longterm, CBD seems to be good for sleep and would be a better sleep aid. I personally dont use either anymore so i dont have an opinion 1 way or the other. I take prescription Trazodone for sleep...it is a cheap non narcotic drug prescribed by my doctor that is actually a really ineffective SSRI antidepressant that was developed by a pharmaceutical company hoping it would work like Prozac or Zoloft etc...but in clinical trials it didnt help people with depression, but it did make them all sleepy and had no real side effects or groggy feelings the next day. So it was approved by the FDA and is prescribed off label for sleeplessness. It has been a Godsend for me....but I am not a doctor etc. Anyway herès that NIH article

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effects of Cannabinoids on Sleep and their Therapeutic Potential for Sleep Disorders

The recent trend for legalization of medicinal cannabis and cannabinoid-containing products, together with their soporific effects, has led to a surge of interest of their potential therapeutic role in the management of some common sleep disorders, such ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
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VOLS INC. said:
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McDad said:
McRib and I travel a few times a year. Couple of shorter trip and one longer. Sometimes the whole family comes and other times just the two of us. If there is a casino with a craps table at our location, she has paid for our trips countless times. And she has done it again today. It's uncanny.
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She’s an expert at dealing with crap.
 
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