Official Jon Gruden Thread VI

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jasonvol18 said:
Not to mention he hasnt exactly had the best luck against Saban and doubt he wants to play and go head to head with him for instate recruits every year. Think he is UK bound. They already have the most low down Hoops Coach in the game they may as well add the football version of him, just not with the success he has had.
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I don't think Barnhart will hire him. Auburn would.
 
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I'm not sure strong would be a home run. But when I think about it and the teams Louisville plays. Sure they ain't playin teams like bama or Florida. But Louisville is winning. It's not like him having an sec team moved to the big east or whatever conference Louisville is in. It takes a coach to teach the players how to win. It's not fair to say well if Tennessee had louisville schedule we would be undefeated or whatever . Tennessee is on a whole different level . He would be able to land better recruits here. A winner is a winner in my mind. It's like saying a middle school coach being undefeated and a high school sayin well he doesn't play the level of competition high schoolers do . But if that coach had high school players and resources the high school had he could compete .its all about winning at what level the team you coach is at. If he dominates that level , no reason he can't at the next. But who really knows. Sorry for the rant. Just sitting at work with some down time, my mind was wandering lol. Btw no matter I will still love my vols and wear the T . The down times will make the good that much sweeter. I'm not a fair weather fan. IMO if you are a vol fan right now , you are not a bandwagon or fair weather fan regardless what anyone says on here. There will be a day when we are revelant again , then we will have the bandwagon fans. I know times are hard now. But I still talk smack to Florida fans and bama fans. Sorry for gettin off topic. Back to the coaching situation, I hope the hire we make will be the best for our fans and team. GBFO
 
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Lexvol said:
Because of the possible magnitude of the bowl for the school, and because I think he is a stand up guy.

That being said, Jurich is a no nonsense AD. He may say if you are really interested, there is the door. Who knows?
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Strong's not coming here. Nor is he going anywhere anytime soon. Tom Jurich has said as much. You all do realize he's currently the 9th highest-paid coach in the country already, right?

Louisville athletics director Tom Jurich doesn't look scared. He doesn't sound scared, either. This I know, because I asked him. I found Jurich before the game and asked him why Strong wouldn't leave Louisville after this season.

"One," Jurich said, "he has a great contract."

True enough. I'd heard Strong is one of the 10 highest-paid coaches in the country. I asked Jurich if that was true.

"It is," Jurich said. "And we'll make him No. 1 if we have to."
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But that talk is all folly - Gruden's already agreed to an MOU, right? :crazy:
 
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Wilson27 said:
Not unless we want a Southern Baptist convention held in front of Neyland Stadium.
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That would actually help me out, I dont want to go to Texas for this year's meeting. Seriously though, I would not be a fan of the hire but would support him and wish him well if he is our coach. My main concern is that he gets his life in order and restores his family.

My feelings on hiring Petrino were that way before the scandal, as I lived in Louisville when he was there and just know it got old with him always flirting with jobs. My main issue with Petrino would be him wanting to be at UT and loving the program. I just think it could be a PR problem for a while. However, if he is contrite and really a new man(none of us know his heart), then I would love to be a part of that comeback story. Wherever he is coaching, I sincerely hope he finds peace and forgiveness. For real.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Im not sure the amount of control he would want can be decided in a single meeting, but rather a series of meetings taking time. The context clues lead me to believe the time consuming nature of changing an entire relationship between the AD and Chancellors office is one of the major issues right now.

At least its not money, everything else can be overcome no matter how likely or unlikely.

I have never said he is NOT coming, but am well under 50-50.
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Personally, I think the entire issue of control between the AD and Chancellor is vastly overrated. There are issues there, but it's mostly financial. Look at how many chances players like DaRick and Janzen Jackson had. Pointing to Lofton and Lanier as examples is fairly weak. It's not like we're talking about denying Peyton Manning entrance to the school.

If Jon Gruden is not coming to Tennessee because of a perceived issue in turning down or keeping eligible players that have no business in college in the first place, then that tells me he was never interested in coaching college football in the first place. Dealing with these issues is a big part of the job - anywhere.

I think the AD and Chancellor issues can be fixed, but the best way to fix them is hire a coach that everyone respects. There are other issues too such as different factions of boosters that all want their own way. This is East Tennessee - the definition of good old boy network. That's as much of the problem, IMO, as anything between the Chancellor and AD.

If Gruden has real interest in coming to TN, the big money people will work it out, IMO. If it doesn't get worked out, then I doubt Gruden's interest was ever serious.
 
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tnfalcon said:
He won't be my coach. I can assure you of that.
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My post is about protest in front of Neyland by the Southern Baptist Convention. I don't agree with what he did, but it is not my place to judge. As a christian, you should give forgiveness if you expect to be forgiven. That's what I was trying to say.
 
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kohlrums said:
To be fair, and I'm not questioning bcarter at all, but folks like Boro, and OCI told us to expect these smoke screens to come up and to roll with it, and now that it is happening everyone is freaking out (I am getting caught up in it as well-can't help it).

What I don't get is what I am hearing folks say about the BOT meeting. First the vote was huge, now some say it doesn't matter even if passed, others say deals have been made behind the scenes regarding autonomy of the AD. Messages are getting mixed-and me confused mucho.
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Not knocking any info but if you believe it's only smoke and nothing cooled then why do you think those guys were drumming up the significance of the BOT meeting?
I think all the Grudenites need to form a backup plan mentally as coach or risk being very dissapointed. Even SBV said things cooled. You've essentially got 2 guys left who have said they still feel confident mixed with a whole lot of this BOT is important talk. While others are saying the BOT meeting in and of itself won't do too much.
Assimilate the data yourselves and think about it.
 
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Lexvol said:
One thing I will say...don't shoot the messenger...but if Petrino...I wouldn't expect to hear anything until announced. Please don't take this the wrong way. I firmly believe he is part of the contingency.
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There is no doubt in my mind he is.
 
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FearlessFreep said:
Strong's not coming here. Nor is he going anywhere anytime soon. Tom Jurich has said as much. You all do realize he's currently the 9th highest-paid coach in the country already, right?



But that talk is all folly - Gruden's already agreed to an MOU, right? :crazy:
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His contract has been copied on this site. He isn't in the top 10.
 
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kohlrums said:
He would be a great hire. People should have an open mind about him.
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I think the biggest hurdle with Greg Roman (other than a lack of head coaching experience) is recruiting. Does he have any ties around here or any kind of name recognition among recruits or high school coaches? I'd think it would take him a while to get established on the recruiting trail.
 
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If Hart can't find a big name hire and Dooley wins out I won't be at all surprised if he's kept on as HC, although I think there would be some coach shuffling to appease the fans. I don't think Hart expected the negative response he's rumored to have gotten from booster's over who was on top of his 'Smart' list.

If I'm Hart, I'd sell keeping Dooley to the boosters as no big name interested being due to the AD control situation. That would give all involved time to address those issues and set up for a new hire next year.

I'm still hoping to see Gruden hired.
 
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FearlessFreep said:
Strong's not coming here. Nor is he going anywhere anytime soon. Tom Jurich has said as much. You all do realize he's currently the 9th highest-paid coach in the country already, right?



But that talk is all folly - Gruden's already agreed to an MOU, right?
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Unless Louisville gets into the Big 12 he won't be there long. As the MOU goes, I've never been 100% Gruden. Some still are.

Louisville will always be a basketball school, and Charlie Strong will not retire there.
 
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BruinVol said:
Bible Belt forgives. All we need is a few tears and an altar and he gets it.
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SOME forgive. Some don't. My point is even if I am wrong that I just don't believe the powers that be would take such a risk considering the cluster muck and pr nightmare we have had down there these last few years.
 
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OrangeBlood4life said:
I'm not sure strong would be a home run. But when I think about it and the teams Louisville plays. Sure they ain't playin teams like bama or Florida. But Louisville is winning. It's not like him having an sec team moved to the big east or whatever conference Louisville is in. It takes a coach to teach the players how to win. It's not fair to say well if Tennessee had louisville schedule we would be undefeated or whatever . Tennessee is on a whole different level . He would be able to land better recruits here. A winner is a winner in my mind. It's like saying a middle school coach being undefeated and a high school sayin well he doesn't play the level of competition high schoolers do . But if that coach had high school players and resources the high school had he could compete .its all about winning at what level the team you coach is at. If he dominates that level , no reason he can't at the next. But who really knows. Sorry for the rant. Just sitting at work with some down time, my mind was wandering lol. Btw no matter I will still love my vols and wear the T . The down times will make the good that much sweeter. I'm not a fair weather fan. IMO if you are a vol fan right now , you are not a bandwagon or fair weather fan regardless what anyone says on here. There will be a day when we are revelant again , then we will have the bandwagon fans. I know times are hard now. But I still talk smack to Florida fans and bama fans. Sorry for gettin off topic. Back to the coaching situation, I hope the hire we make will be the best for our fans and team. GBFO
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The thing (in my opinion) about Strong is that he is limited at Louisville. I think he would flourish with Tennessee's resources.
 
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DD4ME said:
Not knocking any info but if you believe it's only smoke and nothing cooled then why do you think those guys were drumming up the significance of the BOT meeting?
I think all the Grudenites need to form a backup plan mentally as coach or risk being very dissapointed. Even SBV said things cooled. You've essentially got 2 guys left who have said they still feel confident mixed with a whole lot of this BOT is important talk. While others are saying the BOT meeting in and of itself won't do too much.
Assimilate the data yourselves and think about it.
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I agree...I want Gruden bad, but we need to picture other coaches on his level as other options. If we think about them all as a plan B to Gruden we will all be dissapointed...
 
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Lexvol said:
Unless Louisville gets into the Big 12 he won't be there long. As the MOU goes, I've never been 100% Gruden. Some still are.

Louisville will always be a basketball school, and Charlie Strong will not retire there.
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So he lied. There will protests in front of Neyland.
 
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Putting the fidelity issue aside, more troubling are Petrino's actions of hiring his mistress, covering it up, then lying about it when asked. Those are deep-seeded character things that don't just get 'forgiven.' No self-respecting AD would put his job on the line by taking that risk.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like one . . . .
 
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Lexvol said:
For me it has always been
1. Gruden
2. Stoops
3. Strong

All three would recruit lights out here. Anybody else, with the possible exception of Patterson, we are in wait and see mode in regards to recruiting.
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Why would Patterson not be on your list? He would be #2 for me with Strong a close 3rd. I do not think Stoops is a reality, jmo.
 
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Why is it so crazy to think Gruden would come here? He hasn't coached in a few years and has no attachment to any teams. Yet people are saying coaches like Stoops and Jimbo Fisher, who are in pretty good situations, seem to love their programs and have pipelines to big-time recruits. I'm not saying they wouldn't consider us if the money was right but they are a bigger stretch than Gruden is imo.
 
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