Official Jon Gruden Thread VII

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govols10302bb said:
It seems to me people well connected to university will try and detract the public as to what is really going on. The university does not want the public to know just yet. Kinda like Dooley saying he doesn't know what is going to happen dont take people at their word especially if they are really connected to the university. Even pay sites are more guarded than VN because they do not want to lose their connection wirh the AD etc jmo
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This is very close it seems:

1. The AD can't give away because Dooley is still coach.

2. Gruden can't give away anything because he still intends on finishing MNF and Dooley is still coach.

3. Reporters can't give away anything because Dooley is still coach, and they don't want to get in trouble by Dooley or the University for leaking something.

The only people who you need to look at are those who are without a dog in the fight.

And all of the outside reporters and people here are claiming that this is a very very real possibility.

Nobody can say anything, therefore, nobody is. Everyone is shooting down everything because they have the scapegoat of Dooley still being the coach. Hart can deny everything, saying "dooley is still the coach." Reporters can say "I didn't report anything that I was hearing, because Dooley is still the coach."

Hence, why its so genius that Dave Hart has kept Dooley this long. Meanwhile, it sounds like in the background, Gruden is onboard, and his staff is getting on board, and it's just a matter of formalities now, and getting everything in line where it's as seamless and efficient as possible.

If you can't tell, Dave Hart seems to like the most efficient way possible....hence, allowing Bobby Bowden to name Jimbo Fisher coach in waiting (I believe I'm correct in that). He hates coaching searches, and he seems like he's going to avoid them at all costs.

So he's doing everything he can to make sure he's not involved in one, to keep the university from getting publicly turned down, and to save recruiting as much as possible.

Completely just my opinion. That's what I'm putting together though. Just keep on inhaling the smoke VN. Can't listen to the normal credible sources. This is not their territory. It can't be until November 26th.
 
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Things change. Someone very connected a few years ago may not be privy to information like they once were. Also, someone not so connected a few years ago may suddenly find themselves with their finger on the pulse of what is really going on. I understand that someone who suckles at the teat of a one time solid insider is going to have difficulty coming to terms that the milk may be drying up. Some might want to listen to the new insiders and open their minds to the idea that they may be the new Larry's.
 
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babyavi said:
I'm sure things have changed, but not to the extent that he is out of the know, or his "grey hair" is causing mixed dementia. It's just interesting what he has to say, because it carries weight.
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Of course. Dave Hart and the committee have to do their job even if things are lined up. He can not Just go..OK guys whatever you say. He has to present different options. He must propose some different possible courses of action and examine the finances. That is what he was hired to do. Does not change anything.
 
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cbbowlingmd said:
What a stupid way to attempt to force guilt. You really are lame.
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Force guilt? It's funny how you assume my situation way before you know who I am, what I do, what my wife and family contribute. I think open discussion on a forum is healthy for all parties involved. You all take it as a negative because it's not in the ebb and flow of the positivity related to Gruden, signed sealed, delivered. Excuse me for relaying a fact.
 
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As a state employee I do know that while I have a contract for this year, if I am told by my boss that I will not be rehired next year that means my job position is now open and they can begin tonlook for and even select my replacement. Of course, teachers do not sign MOUs but you do get a new contract from the system replacing the teacher who is being let go. Dooley most likely has been told that he will not be retained, the buyout kicks in, UT is able to begin the selection process for his replacement. The MOU says UT wants Gruden And Gruden wants UT. I am sure specifics are innplace as to salary and lenght etc. There are probably conditions which protect both parties if the other backs out but I don't think you sign one today and change your mind tomorrow. Just my thoughts.
 
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Bcarter seems to have come up a lot on his % as well. I think he was 75% a few days ago...I have faith, but cautiously optimistic since I have no sources of credible info.
 
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babyavi said:
I don't usually refer to men as DUDE but ok. We can start there. I am open to simple discussion on the matter. What is mind boggling, and simply perplexing is the defensive nature of the board. The simple "mood swings" that entail is someone comes here and makes them feel like this isn't going to happen. I just said listen to what Larry has to say.
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Larry has been a very solid poster.

Is it possible the AD is throwing out names of coaches of interest to insiders like Larry to try to slow down all the Gruden talk even though Gruden is the man that will be standing on the sidelines in 2013.
 
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AllVolinGA said:
As a state employee I do know that while I have a contract for this year, if I am told by my boss that I will not be rehired next year that means my job position is now open and they can begin tonlook for and even select my replacement. Of course, teachers do not sign MOUs but you do get a new contract from the system replacing the teacher who is being let go. Dooley most likely has been told that he will not be retained, the buyout kicks in, UT is able to begin the selection process for his replacement. The MOU says UT wants Gruden And Gruden wants UT. I am sure specifics are innplace as to salary and lenght etc. There are probably conditions which protect both parties if the other backs out but I don't think you sign one today and change your mind tomorrow. Just my thoughts.
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Good post!!

And exactly!! It's not like Gruden is goin around signing MOU's with multiple employers....he signed this one because he wants this to come into fruition...and they like the contract, thus far.
 
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babyavi said:
Force guilt? It's funny how you assume my situation way before you know who I am, what I do, what my wife and family contribute. I think open discussion on a forum is healthy for all parties involved. You all take it as a negative because it's not in the ebb and flow of the positivity related to Gruden, signed sealed, delivered. Excuse me for relaying a fact.
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But you already know that no one likes you in here though.
 
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BruinVol said:
I without a doubt and it in no way can be argued know that the job isn't legally open to be filled. Give me one possible way it is open.
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Bruin- Telling Dooley he will not be retained could be a notice of termination. He has to fulfill his duties to get his buyout. No one really knows though.
 
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babyavi said:
Being defensive over facts proves irrational thinking and behavior. Step back and be objective for a second.
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I'm gonna be objective for a second too.

Cliff note version of every babyavi post.......

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah..

There is no way you're a Vol fan.
 
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So, we have multiple posters speaking of a signed MOU, something we've been waiting to hear since this whole thing started.

Yet "some" here act like it's a Dear John letter. COME ON MAN!
 
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BruinVol said:
It's arrogant of me to say the job Isnt legally open????

If that is what you are saying I would say that is extremely ignorant of you.
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Just because UTAD has not issued a statement to the media does NOT mean that a decision hasn't already been made.

It is not Derek's choice to remain in his current job - he doesn't need to know that he is fired for it to be true.
 
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warrior said:
You should not go there. We may see what you really are.
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Try to keep an open mind to posters regardless of their situation. Just because someone else's opinion is presented and questions are asked DOES not mean that a deal is DEAD, DISCARDED, DESTROYED. It's the simple nature of humanity. The right to ask questions. Don't take it personal. I don't know what it means when Larry says what he does, but I have a few OPINIONS, SUBJECTIVE INFERENCES on the matter.
 
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