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EZE said:
Jake, you are another dude with a solid, level headed approach to this. I cannot for the life of me understand how UT doesn't get this done if the Big $$$ boosters, the greatest Vol of all time and Gruden all want it to get done. That would only leave two administrators as the "snags."
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You go it buddy. I believe financial Power trumps politics in this sort of situation...and Gruden is treading in orange water until the straw breaks one of the camel's backs.
 
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revjayp said:
If JG wants this job and the snags are on his end, I hope he is willing to bend a little. Compromise isn't a bad thing.
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IMO the snags he is trapped in are too important to a coach at his level to flex with. I believe that he needs what he is asking for.
 
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CMcEver said:
Boro was referring to the media finding out and breaking it within the 48, not the announcement. That hasn't happened, but that was just speculation.
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Will not have to worry about local media breaking anything. Their source is Tv. When they see him on tv Wearing orange and coaching, then they will report it.
 
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keithvol1071 said:
To me, no other coach could bring the excitement like he is capable of.
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I agree with this but...... with excitement comes expectations.. Just look at the expectations of this team at the beginning of this season...... and that was with Dooley at the helm.. I fell into it myself, I predicted 8-4with things going well and MAYBE an outside shot at 9-3.. Look who ended up 8-4..... Vandy... The team many on here predicted would be lucky to win 4 games...

I think, I hope we will hire Gruden.. I think he is probably the ONE guy that would have the potential to do all the following; unite the fan base, energize and boost recruiting, light a fire under the present rosters butt and move UT towards a National Championship.. That being said, don't expect to win the east or the SEC or the BCS or the Super Bowl.. Expect improvement in all areas and a winning season.. Be realistic on your definition of a winning season..

Also, if the expectations you develop are not met and you're upset about it, go look in the mirror first and ask yourself, "Was I realistic in my expectations? Were they reasonable?"

Try to be honest when you answer...
 
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EZE said:
You are a solid dude, daj. I've fallen into the same trap when my business sensibilities should be telling me otherwise.

Do you think this gets done with Gruden or is he going to string us along and leave us standing at the altar?
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Flattery will get you everywhere, my friend.

Personally, I can make a very strong and convincing case that Gruden is the next HC. In fact, of my peer-group of alumni, I have convinced more than one that this Gruden thing can be a reality.

If I was a betting man, and I am not, I would put the odds slightly against us getting Gruden. Not because I think there isn't any interest, not because I think that the sides aren't talking, but because there are an infinite number of things that could go wrong between here and there. In any high level negotiation, the devil is in the details and I think that by any way we could review the few facts, both sides are probably wading through those little devils.

Think about going to buy a car or a house or any big ticket item. If you go in with the mindset that you have to have this one, you get screwed. The person who can walk away from the negotiation will always get the best deal. Don't believe me? See: Dooley and a 5 million buy out.

We are probably at the point where both sides have reached the point of having to compromise key points. It is now going to come down to who wants it more, meaning who is willing to give more than what they wanted.
 
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Jake said:
There is a lot of truth in what everyone is saying...skeptics and knowledgable people alike.

There are definitely some snags, but from the perspective I'm getting my info from, there is a lot of powerful arm twisting going on...and because of that (along with what happened last time around) I stand confidently hopeful that this is still going to go down with Gruden.

Definitely not done and definitely not dead.

I have a hard time believing any dates because there's no way to predict the bumps and roadblocks.

Gruden wants this job...without question.
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OK Jake I beleive you will level with me. What specifically are these "snags" and what "Arm Twisting" is going on? I beleive you, I just wish somebody would tell what these "snags" are. I swear if they screw this up over something pennyante, I am going to be pissed.:hi:
 
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Jake said:
IMO the snags he is trapped in are too important to a coach at his level to flex with. I believe that he needs what he is asking for.
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Agree. You don't bring in a super bowl winning coach and throw the bank at him and then not give him the control he wants and imo the control he needs to compete and win in this league.
 
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EZE said:
Jake, you are another dude with a solid, level headed approach to this. I cannot for the life of me understand how UT doesn't get this done if the Big $$$ boosters, the greatest Vol of all time and Gruden all want it to get done. That would only leave two administrators as the "snags."
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Cheek is gone any way.Big Jim doesnt like him.Hart is just postering to make it look like hes in control.He is a puppet that does what the people who are in real control tell him.There are no real snags here.Gruden will get what he wants.He gets his last payment from TB on the 30th of this month.Till then nothing will be anounced.Its on his time line not Tn.,Espn. or VN'S. Let it run its course.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
OK Jake I beleive you will level with me. What specifically are these "snags" and what "Arm Twisting" is going on? I beleive you, I just wish somebody would tell what these "snags" are. I swear if they screw this up over something pennyante, I am going to be pissed.:hi:
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Have seen a lot of business negotiations break down over the smallest things. Not saying it will with the Gruden deal, but I won't be shocked.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
OK Jake I beleive you will level with me. What specifically are these "snags" and what "Arm Twisting" is going on? I beleive you, I just wish somebody would tell what these "snags" are. I swear if they screw this up over something pennyante, I am going to be pissed.:hi:
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The three snags (which have all been through the rumor mill already many times)

-assistant coach hiring/firing control (lots of inner variable and extremely complex)

-the years in question on the deal for Gruden. He wants long term and UTAD says too many

-academic enrollment standards to be lowered to level playing field with the rest of the SEC

all of which make total sense to me.
 
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If you are in leadership at the university, how do you manage a coach if he doesn't want a boss? Stay completely away? Hard to do if you are in those positions. You didn't get in those positions by giving away money and control.
 
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EZE said:
Or that Hart is trying to stretch his weenie out to show he has some clout. I hope it is not his ego but wouldn't be surprised.
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Personally, I think that is the explanation that is the least plausible. Well, least plausible next to the suggestion that Hart is a secret Bammer who wants to ruin UT and then go back to get Mal Moore's position.

I said least plausible, mind you, not impossible. :)
 
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daj2576 said:
Flattery will get you everywhere, my friend.

Personally, I can make a very strong and convincing case that Gruden is the next HC. In fact, of my peer-group of alumni, I have convinced more than one that this Gruden thing can be a reality.

If I was a betting man, and I am not, I would put the odds slightly against us getting Gruden. Not because I think there isn't any interest, not because I think that the sides aren't talking, but because there are an infinite number of things that could go wrong between here and there. In any high level negotiation, the devil is in the details and I think that by any way we could review the few facts, both sides are probably wading through those little devils.

Think about going to buy a car or a house or any big ticket item. If you go in with the mindset that you have to have this one, you get screwed. The person who can walk away from the negotiation will always get the best deal. Don't believe me? See: Dooley and a 5 million buy out.

We are probably at the point where both sides have reached the point of having to compromise key points. It is now going to come down to who wants it more, meaning who is willing to give more than what they wanted.
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Yeah, but if both parties want it, they find a way to make it happen. My concern is that maybe Hart and Cheek aren't truly all-in on this.
 
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Regulator said:
I'm cautiously optimistic that it's Gruden's job to turn down. If you are asking me RIGHT NOW who will be the next head coach, I'm going to say Jon Gruden, because that's the direction my gut leads me in RIGHT NOW. I don't worry about the 10 day window and 3 interview minimum as there are ways to circumvent that behind the scenes. I won't (and wouldn't under any circumstances) worry that Hart is interviewing other candidates, because if he doesn't interview others, he's not doing his job. I also realize that there are many, many variables that have to be factored into this hiring (for both sides) and those take time to sort out. Until both sides publicly disavow interest in one another, I'm sticking with Gruden, but I think whoever winds up getting the job will be a quality hire. The money available and the circumstances demand it.
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I'm right with you. Thanks
 
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Hart and Cheek better make good decisions based on UT and not themselves...or they will look like Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden in Knoxville...that's my opinion. No one made that analogy to me.


Babyvol from TOS (I don't know him), but he has a spot on perspective wherever he is getting his info.
 
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Jake said:
IMO the snags he is trapped in are too important to a coach at his level to flex with. I believe that he needs what he is asking for.
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But is what he is asking for something that UT can (or should) realistically provide?

For instance, if Gruden was insisting on Chad Morris being the OC (which I don't think he is/was), knowing that Morris had such a high buyout from Clemson, IYO, should UT have agreed to pay that buyout, even if it would be a "reaslistic" option?

I'm all-in on Gruden, but not at all costs.

EDIT: I think you may have answered my question while I was posting it.
 
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Jake said:
The three snags (which have all been through the rumor mill already many times)

-assistant coach hiring/firing control (lots of inner variable and extremely complex)

-the years in question on the deal for Gruden. He wants long term and UTAD says too many

-academic enrollment standards to be lowered to level playing field with the rest of the SEC

all of which make total sense to me.
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Didn't Hart kinda make us think that your 3rd point was being addressed?
The other two are the "snags" that had crossed my mind as well.
 
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I was listening to the Broncos pregame radio show and Dave Logan was interviewing Manning.

He said he had one final question for him. "Who's going to be the next coach at your U. Of Tennessee?"

Manning kinda did the ahh that's a tough one bit then said "I'm rooting for..............someone good"

I swear during that long pause, I thought he was going to say it! lol

I think he had a name in mind. You root for specifics you hope for good :)
 
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Here's my advice to Hart:

If you hire Gruden and things don't work out, no one will blame you because they would have done the same.

If you don't hire Gruden, everyone will blame you.

Jake said:
The three snags (which have all been through the rumor mill already many times)

-assistant coach hiring/firing control (lots of inner variable and extremely complex)

-the years in question on the deal for Gruden. He wants long term and UTAD says too many

-academic enrollment standards to be lowered to level playing field with the rest of the SEC

all of which make total sense to me.
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