Official Jon Gruden Thread XIV

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EZE said:
If Basilio's blog is correct, then UT lacks b@lls. It is as simple as that. A Gruden deal was there to be had, but they "just couldn't get it done" because "too much too much"? Let there be no doubt as to why Alabama is ruling college football. For their big $$$ people, too much WASN'T too much.

Whereas, our $$$ people are wimps. They got to the edge of the cliff, packed up their toys, and shrunk from the opportunity. We seriously act like a second class program right now. Can there be any doubt why we perform like one?

There is a huge step down from Gruden to Fisher, String, Gundy, etc.
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Unfortunately, I feel this is pretty much the end of it. I read Tony B's blog daily. He's been pretty much in line with all that's gone on. I know I'll probably get flamed for that.
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
B). The Knox press actually cares about journalistic imtegrity.... They have never been (nor should they be) pompom shakers for the university but neither should they go out of their way (as is often the case, see almost ANY John Adams column...) to denigrate the university.....
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The notion of journalistic integrity revolves around reporting the truth, regardless of the interests involved. Whether the truth is positive or negative, it needs to be reported without editorializing.

The problem with journalism in Knoxville is that the "journalists" are lazy, sloppy, and self-serving. They have no backbone. They either avoid uncomfortable subjects because they don't understand them, or they are afraid of getting kicked off the teet of the AD.

Adams writes what he does, because he is too lazy to dig into any actual news, so he attempts to sensationalize crap that is irrelevant, and he thinks it makes him look like a serious journalist.
 
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Aside from gruden, I think Mora jr and Stoops could get us back in contention in the east the quickest of any out there. Peterson intriques me but it's a little more risky,IMHO. Just thinking out loud.:rock:
 
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BristolVol said:
I still don't get he can recruit. Where is there any proof that he can recruit?
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There are a lot of people here that talk about him beating out the big three for recruits in Florida... however his present QB (Bridgewater) the big three did not want imo..... by the way, I wondered at the time why Tennessee did not recruit him either
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
You, sir, are laboring under the mistaken notion that:
A). The UTAD gived two hoots in hell what the average fan thinks/wants...

B). The Knox press actually cares about journalistic imtegrity.... They have never been (nor should they be) pompom shakers for the university but neither should they go out of their way (as is often the case, see almost ANY John Adams column...) to denigrate the university.....
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That's why I hope FTP continues investigating the Gruden matter. But the UT consumers did make a statement this year by not going to Neyland which cost the AD millions!!!
 
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The biggest reasons we want Gruden are:

1) it shows the country that UT will do whatever it takes to be on top.

2) we know what Gruden's mentality will be. He will not accept anything but winning.

If in fact Gruden is off the table, reason number one might lose some of its effect. Number 2 is still the X factor.

Even though they're not as flashy as Gruden, all of the other names on the list can coach, and are very good at it. What will determine their success will be their mentality. Dooley was just the opposite, great mentality, no coaching ability.

If the new coach comes in and accepts nothing less than becoming a national powerhouse, he will succeed. Strong, Gundy, Fisher, whoever will have to embrace the challenge. That is what this is about.

We want Gruden because he can be a visionary and has the passion to make it happen. As long as whoever we hire can have the same vision and commitment, I believe they will be very successful.
 
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TN could have offset our expenses by commissioning HBO to do a Hard Knocks -- college edition.

Call it what you may -- it would be interesting.
 
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This thread has me up and down thru out the day, yet I am addicted to sitting here and refreshing the page to see if anything changes...FML.
 
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No matter who is hired, the OGs should keep this thread going ala The Topic in the Pub & Random Thoughts in the zone.
 
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JCP201 said:
Everyone can't win every game. Gruden is first if any way possible, but I'm putting Mora Jr. second. Skeeter says he wants to come here. He turned UCLA around this year. He's got name recognition in the south, because he was coach for the Falcons. He wasn't the best NFL coach, but he had some winning records, and we all agree it's hard to coach there.
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Mora would prob be my 2nd choice.
 
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I'm confused on why people keep coming into this thread and saying it's over.... I mean, at least make an argument for why it's over.
 
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"Have faith all ye weary in orange, for soon will emerge one greater than Saban to save us all of our past transgressions and lead us to the promised land, where we shall prosper and trample our enemies, and the vanquished shall become the conquerors." -- Gruden 3:16, Haslam 20:12

Soon.
 
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I think the Gruden thing is dead. I hate it, but I really think it is. I'm trying to wrap my head around coaches who want to be here.
 
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1world1love said:
The notion of journalistic integrity revolves around reporting the truth, regardless of the interests involved. Whether the truth is positive or negative, it needs to be reported without editorializing.

The problem with journalism in Knoxville is that the "journalists" are lazy, sloppy, and self-serving. They have no backbone. They either avoid uncomfortable subjects because they don't understand them, or they are afraid of getting kicked off the teet of the AD.

Adams writes what he does, because he is too lazy to dig into any actual news, so he attempts to sensationalize crap that is irrelevant, and he thinks it makes him look like a serious journalist.
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Exactly my point... Unfortunately for the nation as a whole this seems to be the standard for most every news outlet now, be it print, television or internet media. The "Agenda" takes precedence over the truth.... It's sad but that what we are dealing with now.
 
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vmivol00 said:
Disagree completely. The coach is the face of the university. He has to be able effectively interact with the media and fans. Like it or not, the PC skills help folks form their opinions of the coach.
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Both is ideal but we just found out what happens when you have a great press Conferecne coach without the other. Getting a great speaker is nothing but a bonus that has no real merit in the selection process IMO
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I read Saban's contract and it is written in there that he can do outside endorsements as long as the product or service that he is endorsing does not conflict (compete) with a product or service that is endorsed by the university or one of its foundations and as long as it does not generate adverse publicity for the university.

Link?: Sure

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/resources/saban-contract.pdf
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Strong detective work ChattaVol- does keep some of his options open if we were to be so fortunate
 
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Honestly, it sounds like if Gruden truly wanted to be here he would by this time....I tend to believe he showed some interest but gave our AD and boosters unthinkable odds, by all accounts the deal would have been one to make he and staff the highest paid in CFB history...for really an unknown commodity? At some point you have to say enough is enough and too much stinks. If he wants or wanted to truly be here he would have made it more feasible, JMO
 
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2for2VOL said:
The biggest reasons we want Gruden are:

1) it shows the country that UT will do whatever it takes to be on top.

2) we know what Gruden's mentality will be. He will not accept anything but winning.

If in fact Gruden is off the table, reason number one might lose some of its effect. Number 2 is still the X factor.

Even though they're not as flashy as Gruden, all of the other names on the list can coach, and are very good at it. What will determine their success will be their mentality. Dooley was just the opposite, great mentality, no coaching ability.

If the new coach comes in and accepts nothing less than becoming a national powerhouse, he will succeed. Strong, Gundy, Fisher, whoever will have to embrace the challenge. That is what this is about.

We want Gruden because he can be a visionary and has the passion to make it happen. As long as whoever we hire can have the same vision and commitment, I believe they will be very successful.
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I think the biggest reason we want Gruden is because he is one of only a handful of names in the entire coaching profession who could instantly make UT a player in 2013.

The second he is hired, Tennessee reverts back to the early 2000's as if this past half decade hadn't happened at all.
 
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Sunseri was recruiter of the year...so was Dooley. Sometimes the situation, the location, and rest of the staff have more to do with it.

Strong's recruiting at UL doesn't really stand out as anything special. It's about on par with all recruiting at UL with the exception of the end of Kragthorpe.

Petrino
2003: 48th
2004: 54th
2005: 43rd
2006: 26th

Kragthorpe
2007: 47th
2008: 54th
2009: 64th

Strong
2010: 44th
2011: 33rd
2012: 42nd


BruinVol said:
That's certainly a fair stance but I think his reputation as a recruiter when he was recruiting in the SEC suggest he will hold his own just fine. It's certainly not a slam dunk I admitt
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JCP201 said:
I think the Gruden thing is dead. I hate it, but I really think it is. I'm trying to wrap my head around coaches who want to be here.
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I'm still not completely convinced Gruden DOESN'T want to be here... Whether it will happen or not remains to be seen but I'm all for exploring all options at this point....
 
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